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Bambi Vs. The Bureaucrats (State Wants To Euthanize Doe Man Raised From Fawn)
MSNBC.com ^ | Sept. 19, 2007 | Winston Ross

Posted on 09/21/2007 8:31:50 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

Bambi vs. the Bureaucrats

Six years ago, an Oregon man rescued a fawn and raised her as a family pet. So when the state seized the deer, with a threat of euthanasia, all hell broke loose.

By Winston Ross

Sept. 19, 2007 - Had he been a hunter, and had the mottled white doe that tumbled down a hill into his rural Oregon driveway six years ago been an adult, Jim Filipetti could have ponied up $19, applied for a deer tag and gunned the animal down. He could have butchered the deer the state now knows as "Snowball," mounted her head on the wall and moved on with his life.

But Filipetti chose to raise the injured fawn as a pet, spending thousands of dollars on veterinarian bills to treat her deformed hooves, installing strips of carpet throughout his house so she wouldn't slip on the hardwood floors, and feeding her a steady diet of sweetpeas, tomatoes and green beans—"the best that Safeway had to offer," he says. After 12 months, the house painter moved her to a pen outside his home in Molalla, Ore., but she was still a member of the family. "It was like having a dog around the house," Filipetti says.

Filipetti uses the past tense because his beloved Snowball has been seized by the state, which was considering euthanizing her. The story has outraged local residents and animal-rights advocates.

What’s telling is that the neighbors didn't complain. To the contrary, they took to Snowball, stopping by to feed the tame creature on a regular basis. "Everybody's got a set of animals somewhere," says Geordie Duckler, an attorney with the Animal Law Practice, a Portland specialty law firm that handles livestock disputes, biting incidents and claims against veterinarians. "It's rural Oregon."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: bureaucracy; deer; fishandwildlife; oregon; pets; snowball; venison; whitedoe; zerotolerance
Well...if this doe must be "euthanized" Jim Filipetti might as well put her down himself and then he could have some good venison.
1 posted on 09/21/2007 8:31:52 AM PDT by DogByte6RER
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Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket Unusual Pet: Filipetti with Snowball in a family photo from several years ago
2 posted on 09/21/2007 8:34:07 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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Virginia Dare?


3 posted on 09/21/2007 8:36:10 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Rules against raising wildlife are there for good reason, but this is stupid. Why not just put the deer in a petting zoo, and be done with it?


4 posted on 09/21/2007 8:36:38 AM PDT by r9etb
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“The White Doe”

http://www.coastalguide.com/tales/manteowhitedoe.shtml


5 posted on 09/21/2007 8:37:07 AM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: r9etb

put the deer in a petting zoo, and be done with it?

Not a bad idea.


6 posted on 09/21/2007 8:39:34 AM PDT by rineaux (Just say NO to taglines)
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To: DogByte6RER
The vast majority of the phone calls Oregon officials took were from all over the political spectrum: bleeding-heart Bambi lovers and government-out-of-my-business types alike, united in their call for the return of Filipetti's deer.

I'm with the second camp. It may not generally be a good idea to raise wild animals as pets, but there are exceptions to every rule. Government laws are not good at dealing with exceptions, but that shouldn't be the pet owner's problem. Return the deer.

7 posted on 09/21/2007 8:42:19 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: r9etb
Rules against raising wildlife are there for good reason,

What good reason?

We keep being told that man is the problem with species going extinct. But that is not true. We have no shortage of pigs, cows, dogs, cats, goats, hamsters, etc. All these animals are close to man and are cared for by man. The animals that are in danger of extinction are the animals that man is forbidden by the state from nurturing.

8 posted on 09/21/2007 8:43:57 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Bureaucrats act like souless ghouls. They operate strictly “by the book” and act incapable of independent thought, good judgement or compassion. They are petty little dictators exercising their only lifetime opportunity to flaunt authoritative power over someone else. How important they are! It isn’t hard to imagine why the Nazi or Communist regimes were so dangerous — the leaders would have been ineffective without legions of these subservient ghouls to carry out their bidding. /RANT


9 posted on 09/21/2007 8:50:05 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: w1andsodidwe
What good reason?

Mostly having to do with humane treatment, but also having to do with elementary safety.

1. It's generally bad for the health of the animal in question. Not this time, perhaps, but generally, because most people don't know how to take care of the needs of a wild animal.

2. Wild animals are ... well, they're wild, and thus can be unpredictable. For some species, there's real danger in having wild animals living among humans. Even for deer (older than fawns), they could cause injury.

3. Possibility of disease: if the animal escapes back into the wild, it could take diseases with it. Similarly, bringing a wild animal in among domesticated animals could bring disease into the domesticated population. As an example, brucellosis could be spread in either direction.

There are more examples, but I think you get the point.

10 posted on 09/21/2007 8:56:06 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: DogByte6RER; cyborg; dighton; martin_fierro; jdm; RockinRight; Tijeras_Slim
State Wants To Euthanize Doe Man Raised From Fawn

Let the poor "doe man raised from fawn" live! Think of the scientific research benefits.

Has there every been a doe man before? Don't kill him because he's different! He was raised from a fawn and they want to kill him?

Don't hate, appreciate!

11 posted on 09/21/2007 8:59:38 AM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: AL Central -3)
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To: Petronski

12 posted on 09/21/2007 9:01:39 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: DogByte6RER

Where’s the “leave Bambi alone” YouTube video?

I’m waiting...

*tapping feet*


13 posted on 09/21/2007 9:08:09 AM PDT by Disambiguator (What's the temperature, Albert?)
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To: TexasRepublic

LOL. Too true.

Return Snowball and leave this man and his pet alone. Free Snowball!


14 posted on 09/21/2007 9:10:30 AM PDT by khnyny
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To: r9etb

“There are more examples, but I think you get the point.

I get the point. Rights should be limited under the auspices of the ever-bureaucratic “just in case” scenario. Gun-grabbers like that one, too. I’d be interested to see some data where citizens keeping deer actually ever harmed anything.

I grew up down the street from a man who kept horses, cows, goats and deer without incident or complication so to me this story is another attack on individual rights.

Not a flame, I just don’t agree with you.


15 posted on 09/21/2007 9:10:47 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Petronski
Doe man or dough man?

Shhhh, don't tell anyone but I think this guy has his own show on MSNBC called "Countdown" now...

16 posted on 09/21/2007 9:11:16 AM PDT by jdm
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To: rineaux

Good idea, but better yet lets euthanize the stupid person who brought up this moronic idea.


17 posted on 09/21/2007 9:16:30 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: L98Fiero
Ah yes. "Individual rights" trump common sense.

Disease control alone justifies rules against keeping wild animals.

18 posted on 09/21/2007 9:17:18 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: DogByte6RER

Why can’t the state just give them a permit to continue to keep those particular deer? Too easy, too just.


19 posted on 09/21/2007 9:17:29 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: r9etb
There are more examples, but I think you get the point.

Please expound on how any of your points cannot be applied to domesticated animals, please.

For example, feral cats fit all of your points, but they can be successfully domesticated. If cats were left in the wild and prohibited access to human, many would die of preventable disease. And yes, a feral cat is a very wild animal and cannot be domesticated successful, but offspring can easily be turned around while small. Disease of cats can for the most part be controlled with modern medicine.

I also find it insulting that you think that man is too dumb to take care of the health issues.

20 posted on 09/21/2007 9:25:45 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
Please expound on how any of your points cannot be applied to domesticated animals, please.

From the disease perspective it's not a matter of whether you can tame the damned thing. It's a matter of disease control. A deer population, for example, doesn't have veterinarians looking after it, and no disease control methods should something break out. You wouldn't bring a plague victim into your home, would you?

Sheesh. Do your own damned thinking.

21 posted on 09/21/2007 9:29:08 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: DogByte6RER
Snowball's fate will wait, lawyer says
More info w/ pics and video.
22 posted on 09/21/2007 9:40:38 AM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: DogByte6RER

Looks like someone got caught taking the King’s Deer again.


23 posted on 09/21/2007 9:45:49 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Larry: See the little deer, does the deer have a little doe?

Curly: Yeah, two bucks! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk.


24 posted on 09/21/2007 9:46:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: w1andsodidwe
“We have no shortage of pigs, cows, dogs, cats, goats, hamsters, etc.”

I don’t know about where you live. But here in South Carolina, deer are a real menace. They are everywhere.

Every week I see two or three more deer lying beside the road killed by cars and trucks.

There has been discussion of putting birth control chemicals in deer corn to try and control the herd.

It’s a real problem here.

25 posted on 09/21/2007 9:47:22 AM PDT by upchuck (Psychiatrists have labeled George Bush's South-of-the-Border obsession as mexicosis. ~ firehat)
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To: DogByte6RER

Saw “The Yearling” as a kid?


26 posted on 09/21/2007 9:47:55 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: r9etb
A deer population, for example, doesn't have veterinarians looking after it, and no disease control methods should something break out. You wouldn't bring a plague victim into your home, would you?

Thousands of suburban areas are overrun with deer. There are herds of half a dozen to a dozen deer prancing through my yard literally every day. The roads are littered with dead deer killed by cars.

Not only do local governments do little or nothing about this, if you tried to control these populations yourself they'd come arrest you.

We're supposed to believe that turning a blind eye to millions of deer running free through residential areas while coming in with the full force of the law to confiscate the same animal when someone makes a pet of it is a rational course of action to control disease?

Please.

27 posted on 09/21/2007 9:53:44 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: upchuck
I don’t know about where you live. But here in South Carolina, deer are a real menace. They are everywhere.

Same problem in rural Iowa, where I was raised. We used to control the population by hunting them. I understand that the state has restricted this so much that they are a real problem.

28 posted on 09/21/2007 10:06:16 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: r9etb
3. Possibility of disease: if the animal escapes back into the wild, it could take diseases with it. Similarly, bringing a wild animal in among domesticated animals could bring disease into the domesticated population. As an example, brucellosis could be spread in either direction.

Sheesh. Do your own damned thinking.

Deers spread brucellosis to domesticated animals such as cattle. Why are you against treating diseases in deer populations? I just am trying to understand your thinking, I believe that I have a very clear head on this issue and I believe you are insulting me out of desperation.

29 posted on 09/21/2007 10:11:28 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: DogByte6RER

lol Good thing I came in from the garden...the heat must have gotten to me. I clicked on this thread hoping to see pictures of the Doe Man!!!! HAHAHA


30 posted on 09/21/2007 10:14:01 AM PDT by Cailleach
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To: w1andsodidwe
Why are you against treating diseases in deer populations?

You try that ... get back to us and tell us how it went.

Common sense says: don't do things you'll regret later.

31 posted on 09/21/2007 10:16:00 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: TexasRepublic

Hmmm... can we say give ‘em a little power and it goes to their heads?


32 posted on 09/21/2007 10:30:14 AM PDT by g33k355 ("He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.")
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To: DogByte6RER

It sure is nice to have government to stop us from making “mistakes”.


33 posted on 09/21/2007 10:37:31 AM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: r9etb

So what’s your solution to keeping the deer out of my beef pasture? Deer are going to be, and are, in contact with our domesticated animals constantly.


34 posted on 09/21/2007 10:40:46 AM PDT by g33k355 ("He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.")
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To: r9etb
You try that ... get back to us and tell us how it went.

I guess the guy in this article is regreting it now. I guess you must be a typical liberal who see no solution to any problem. Take a healthy deer away from someone who takes loving care of it, because you know best.

35 posted on 09/21/2007 10:42:14 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
I guess the guy in this article is regreting it now. I guess you must be a typical liberal who see no solution to any problem. Take a healthy deer away from someone who takes loving care of it, because you know best.

Bwahahahahahaaaa!!!! And you called me desperate! Points off, because you forgot to tell me to "go back to DU."

You will no doubt simply have forgotten that I DID provide a solution to this particular problem.

36 posted on 09/21/2007 10:50:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: TexasRepublic

What RANT, I don’t see no steenking RANT, I see the BIBLE of how not to be a typical bureaucrat.


37 posted on 09/21/2007 10:52:34 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: r9etb

1. It’s generally bad for the health of the animal in question. Not this time, perhaps, but generally, because most people don’t know how to take care of the needs of a wild animal.

...any more than many know how to care for their own children, however it is no ones business but there own in a Constitutional sense therefor I disagree with your ideas, especially the petting zoo.


38 posted on 09/21/2007 10:56:07 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaksi@freerepublic.com)
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To: DogByte6RER
From the article

And in 2005, state officials discovered a black bear in the home of a Roseburg man. The bear had been living there for years, it turns out, eating people food, even sleeping in a bed made for humans.

Now THIS I'd like to see.

As far as worried about diseases this animal may have, why not test it and see? If the doe is not going anywhere what's the harm in it?

39 posted on 09/21/2007 11:02:20 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: r9etb

Well, you said put it in a petting zoo, which was a fine idea.

Except what’s the difference from the deer living domesticated in a petting zoo, and the deer living domesticated at the guy’s house?

Other than the fact that you want to discourage others from trying to raise their own deer in their homes?


40 posted on 09/21/2007 11:06:13 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Except what’s the difference from the deer living domesticated in a petting zoo, and the deer living domesticated at the guy’s house?

Given the situation, the actual choice is between euthanasia and the petting zoo.

Other than that, I look to the fact that laws against keeping wild animals are not new, were passed for legitimate reasons -- and they make sense from several different standpoints. No sense in rejecting laws that have real and practical merit.

It's amazing how so many folks on this thread want to reject good sense when it comes to "their rights" with respect to something that doesn't belong to them in the first place.

Seems to me like a lot of folks are having a "bambi moment" that feeds on emotion rather than common sense.

41 posted on 09/21/2007 11:16:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: sportutegrl

Oh yeah...

That movie and “Old Yeller” were tear jerkers...


42 posted on 09/21/2007 12:45:07 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions
The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife has a web page and a contact form. Please go there and tell them what you think (politely). Also e-mail the governor, he has heard from several people on another thread concerning this.

Carolyn

43 posted on 09/21/2007 12:50:00 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Inspectorette
Another thread on the deer - thought you might like to see it.

Carolyn (I hope I did this right.)

44 posted on 09/21/2007 12:51:01 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: CDHart
Thanks, CDHart. Should I use the main e-mail line, or a particular division? Of course, I'll forego my usual Robert Schimmel-esque vocabulary and reply politely.

BTW, your tagline would be my second choice among many.

45 posted on 09/21/2007 1:11:46 PM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: CDHart

Carolyn, Thanks. Still no definite resolution on this yet, and the Portland media seems to have lost interest, maybe getting pressured by ODFW.


46 posted on 09/21/2007 1:26:45 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: Petronski

Lol, I thought it was a terrible title too...


47 posted on 09/21/2007 1:28:51 PM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: r9etb

Too often laws get misapplied. Disease is a worry in some cases, but clearly not in this case - the vet is the first place this deer went. Some people see baby animals alone and wrongly imagine that they’re abandoned or sick. Well, in this case the fawn was clearly sick - legs that needed casts to straighten them.

Wisely, the possibility of euthanasia was dropped the day after it was impounded.

As for the general issue of raising wild animals... as long as the animals are properly taken care of and kept on the owner’s property and are not endangered species taken from the wild - where’s the problem? (Or maybe that’s part of it - expense of checking to see if they’re properly taken care of?) It may be dangerous to the owner, but that should be the owner’s choice.


48 posted on 09/21/2007 3:30:40 PM PDT by aefields
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To: r9etb

That or do something compassionate and feed the homeless & hungry some venison.


49 posted on 09/21/2007 4:38:06 PM PDT by festus (No matter how guilty you are a jury will probably get you off.)
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