Posted on 09/22/2007 7:18:53 PM PDT by netvictory
I'm sorry I don't recall seeing you on these FT threads over the years. I'm not sure how designating the opposition reduces credibility. One thing is sure, whenever the anti's are asked why they believe sticking with the income tax would be better for America than switching to the FT, for the most part, they clam up or twist the question around in a mega spin.
There are not just two choices here, despite the fact you want there to be. Labeling the “antis” in an either you agree with us or you love the IRS light is a tad disingenuous.
That will last until one business person (who does understand business) lowers his price, passing on his tax savings to the consumer.
exactly. The government decides how much the “peoples” need. The government decides how much they SHOULD be spending. The government decides the base needs. The goverment decides who can pay more.
to each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities.
Prebate is communism.
From the spleen ejaculated by the anti's one can hardly be disingenuous by simply asking why they feel that the income tax would be better for America than the Fair Tax. Nothing could be more obvious than such a preference when one hears words like "fairy tax" and "fair tax cult" over and over.
Aside from FICA and other things, they also do state sales tax. A small modification to their accounting software, will print out two checks every quarter; one the the state, and one to fedgov.
Big whoop.
I think if you'll read your Karl Marx you'll see that he mentions a progressive income tax and a tax on generational transfer of wealth as two mainstays of communism.
nonsense, the same games and debates as to what is or is not taxed will happen again and the middle class will be screwed again.
So far the Fair Sales Tax snake oil crowd is just digging a deeper and deeper abyss.
I disagree with the prebate in and on principle. It is an unfortunate necessity with our political situation in the past, present, and future. The libs would go bonkers and unleash relentless attacks about taxing the formula for a single mothers baby and the such.
Also, it is a far better solution to said problem than creating a list of exempt products. It is better to have no exemptions. The exemption fights would be long, hard, and crazy. And the exemption list would grow and grow and grow, and the associated lobbying to get a product exempted would rival if not surpass current tax legislation lobbying.
I remember several years ago in a state that I want to say was NJ, they had an exemption battle on sales taxes. The one that really stuck out in my mind was a huge argument over the exemption of toilet tissue and what constituted toilet tissue. Was it just roll toilet paper? Should expensive two ply quilted be exempt, or just basic single play ass scratcher paper be exempt? Do regular tissues count as toilet tisse and get exempt? How about baby wipes?
To avoid such nonsense battles and decrease the amount of and power of lobbying it is best to have no exemptions and suffer the prebate.
No, what will happen is businesses will stand their ground and the good ol' discount business will soon be out of business. People have a tendency to look at lower prices, discounted prices lacking in either quality or service.
We tried "discounting" some of our services to clients. Guess what??? Business actually declined. Instead of reverting back to our normal fee structure which was industry standard, we bumped it to industry plus 15%. Business became brisk thereafter and we exceeded our projected growth by 31%. Customers and clients can be strange in their purchasing practices. Why anyone would play $15K to 18K for a service you can get for $9.5K is beyond me.
BTW...over 80% of all businesses are small businesses. We are not your local Walmart. We don't offer "Everyday Low Prices."
just because the Fair Tax scam is a new bad idea does not mean should be allowed.
It is a scam pure and simple.
It only increases my business paperwork.
It makes my business burden far more than under the current system.
It gives me two monthly tax masters vs quarterly federal reports.
It destroys the retirement planning for my good employees.
No way no how will this be allowed into the my pockets, my business pockets, OR my employees pockets.
if double taxation is a problem now, consider when EVERY SINGLE raw material purchase is taxed along the production line.
A total and complete load of BS. No such taxation happens with the Fair Tax, other than the consumer paying the NRST at time of purchase of a new, retail good.
just because the Fair Tax scam is a new bad idea does not mean should be allowed.
It is a scam pure and simple.
It only increases my business paperwork.
It makes my business burden far more than under the current system.
It gives me two monthly tax masters vs quarterly federal reports.
It destroys the retirement planning for my good employees.
No way no how will this be allowed into the my pockets, my business pockets, OR my employees pockets.
versus the current system where may business do not do that and a current system where retirement income is NOT double taxed.
keep you hands in your own wallet.
I guess when it becomes law you and your employees with just have to Jones Town yourselves.
In what way?
It only increases my business paperwork.
How?
It destroys the retirement planning for my good employees.
How?
This is almost as good as the thread titled: “My Prediction if Unicorns are Discovered” :p
Given the current status of the Fair Tax Scam PR, the Pope will become a scientologist first.
The fair (sales) taxers are just a derivative of the dominion of the illegal incometaxation or soveriegn citizen crowd.
Tommy Vu, “say you be rich buy my real estate book!”
sorry but your comment about sales just gave this vision of an infomercial sales pitch. thanks.
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