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Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, etc
Vanity | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/23/2007 10:53:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc. Neither are conservative. Neither are Republican. I would no more vote for the "Republican antiwar candidate" Ron Paul or the "Republican pro-choice candidate" Rudy Giuliani than I would the treasonous butcher Hillary Klintoon.

JMHO.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: elections; hillary; paul; paulrudybanned; rudy
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1 posted on 09/23/2007 10:53:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

No need for humbleness.......you are spot on!!


2 posted on 09/23/2007 10:55:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ron Paul is a leftist in the entire area of foreign policy and trade, not just war.
His policies of isolationism and protectionism are among the most dangerous in the entire presidential field.


3 posted on 09/23/2007 10:56:19 PM PDT by counterpunch (Mitt and Kerry wish you a great Pride Weekend.)
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To: Jim Robinson
BTW, that shouldn’t say “Ron Paul = Hillary on the War”, it should say “Ron Paul = Dennis Kucinich on the War”.
Ron Paul is even worse than Hillary when it comes to national security issues!
 
4 posted on 09/23/2007 11:01:40 PM PDT by counterpunch (Mitt and Kerry wish you a great Pride Weekend.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rut roh. Does this mean there’s going to be a purge of Paulistinians?


5 posted on 09/23/2007 11:02:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy is our Hillary, Ron Paul is our Dennis Kucinich, Mitt is our John Edwards, John Cox is our Mike Gravel, and Fred is our new Ronald Reagan with a Southern accent...


6 posted on 09/23/2007 11:06:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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To: Jim Robinson
Use of the deliberately misspelled “Klintoon” greatly diminishes the effectiveness of your post. Please don’t lower yourself to the level of the kooks on your forum.
7 posted on 09/23/2007 11:08:07 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Kevmo; BlackElk

Well, either the AMs do it, or we can wait for the men in white suits carrying butterfly nets.


8 posted on 09/23/2007 11:09:08 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Kevmo; Jim Robinson; All

LOL!

We still have a number of FReepers who believe that if we refuse to vote for Rudy........................

“Oh, you wan’t Hillary then”

Yes, if we refuse to vote for a liberal, it stands to reason we are for a doctrinaire socialist.....LOL!!


9 posted on 09/23/2007 11:09:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Jim Robinson

So let me get this straight.

Ron Paul = No vote.
Rudy Giuliani = No vote.
Hillary Clinton = No vote.

Gotcha, agreed.

Go Fred go!


10 posted on 09/23/2007 11:16:15 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Jim Robinson

In the primary, I would not vote for either.

In the general, if my choices are Hillary or Rudy, I will vote for Rudy. EVERY Republican is better than ANY Democrat in this election.


11 posted on 09/23/2007 11:16:58 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (We fight it out as good friends now, but in 2008 we UNITE against our enemy!)
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To: Jim Robinson

And let me add that, whatever your views on gun control, Giuliani’s use of the courts to punish a legally functioning industry is an abuse of the legal system.

It’s too bad Giuliani is not as zealous an advocate for conservative issues as he is for liberal issues.


12 posted on 09/23/2007 11:17:26 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty - Thompson/Tancredo '08)
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To: Dragonspirit

I will not be voting for any constitution trampling liberal abortionist for president under any circumstances whatsoever. Party be damned.


13 posted on 09/23/2007 11:21:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Good summarization.

I find Ron Paul's utter inability to acknowledge the seriousness and necessity of the war against Islamofascism incredibly disappointing, since otherwise it would be kinda nice to have someone with his other positions in the race as a serious contender -- it would spark some good debate. However, I cannot bring myself to support him.

Giuliani is so far off the mark I can't bring myself to write about him, much less support him.

I truly hope Fred Thompson mounts a successful challenge to the Giuliani juggernaut, since otherwise I don't hold much hope for the Republican ticket in 2008. I find Thompson's positions straightforward and comprehensible, and his style refreshing. I'm not a Fredhead (yet anyway), but so far he's looking the best of the litter.

14 posted on 09/23/2007 11:28:01 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: de meanr

“It’s too bad Giuliani is not as zealous an advocate for conservative issues as he is for liberal issues.”

Too bad is right.


15 posted on 09/23/2007 11:28:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: de meanr

Who is more hungry for power....Rudy or Hillary?

Too close to call.


16 posted on 09/23/2007 11:31:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'd say Ron Paul is pretty conservative... probably one of the most conservative as far as smaller government, etc. goes. I also don't think Republican is a very redeeming label anymore, if it ever connoted more than "the party conservatives tend to choose more often than not." My major problem with him is that he is FREAKING NUTS. I wouldn't trust that guy with a pointed stick, much less five thousand nuclear warheads.

Rudy is indeed a lot like Clinton, and in more fundamental respects than mere policy... he is capable, intelligent, and evil. Assuming the last is a given, I would prefer to do without the former two. Heck, I'll take Ron Paul over Rudy.

On the up-and-up, if Ron Paul winds up running as a third party, he's going to draw off an awful lot of the Democrat vote. Or, to be more accurate, he will draw off an awful lot of the formerly Republican vote. As far as that goes, I say he's a great candidate to have around. ;)

17 posted on 09/23/2007 11:33:34 PM PDT by explodingspleen
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> I will not be voting for any constitution trampling liberal abortionist for president under any circumstances whatsoever. Party be damned.

I feel the same way.

I sense that Thompson is a clear supporter of traditional Constitutional Federalism -- the only one other than maybe Paul. But that also means Thompson likely won't support use of the Federal government to advance social conservative causes at the Federal level. Overall (being a big fan of the Constitution as it was written) I tend to support that Federalist view -- I'd rather address legislation regarding personal and moral issues at the State (or even local) level whenever possible.

May I ask your position on that?

18 posted on 09/23/2007 11:36:15 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Dragonspirit
"In the general, if my choices are Hillary or Rudy, I will vote for Rudy. EVERY Republican is better than ANY Democrat in this election."

Not me! and not my extended family or friends!

I won't vote for a candidate who is my enemy on almost every thing I hold dear issue-wise and who will destroy conservatism within the Republican Party and the Republican Party itself.

Rudy is the Democrat Trojan Horse for 2008!
19 posted on 09/23/2007 11:39:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Who is more hungry for power....Rudy or Hillary?

I've not spent much time in New York, so I don't know Rudy as well as I know Hillary, so she seems more power hungry to me. But what I know about Rudy makes me cringe. From the example I gave in my earlier comment, you can see I despise him for all the reasons Jim posted, plus for abusing the legal system to promote a liberal cause. Rudy's not the worst Republican ([sotto voce] Ron Paul), but he's certainly no conservative.

20 posted on 09/23/2007 11:40:19 PM PDT by de meanr (No Amnesty - Thompson/Tancredo '08)
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