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Congressman John Dingell Proposes 50-cent Gas Tax Hike to Fight Global Warming
Fox News ^ | 09-27-07 | AP via Fox News

Posted on 09/27/2007 10:08:35 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

Dealing with global warming will be painful, says one of the most powerful Democrats in Congress. To back up his claim he is proposing a recipe many people won't like — a 50-cent gasoline tax, a carbon tax and scaling back tax breaks for some home owners.

"I'm trying to have everybody understand that this is going to cost and that it's going to have a measure of pain that you're not going to like," Rep. John Dingell, who is marking his 52nd year in Congress, said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press.

Dingell will offer a "discussion draft" outlining his tax proposals on Thursday, the same day that President Bush holds a two-day conference to discuss voluntary efforts to combat climate change.

But Dingell, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee that will craft climate legislation, is making it clear that he believes tackling global warming will require a lot more if it is to be taken seriously.

"This is going to cause pain," he said, adding that he wants to make certain "the pain is shared in a way that is fair, proper, acceptable and accomplishes the basic purpose" of reducing greenhouse gases, mainly carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; democratparty; democrats; democratsagenda; dingell; economy; electionpresident; elections; energy; globalwarming; marines; taxincrease; worstcongressever
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They had Dingell running around a year ago promising TAX CUTS if they won in Nov 2006. Guess I am surprised the Dems took this long before stabbing their voters in the back yet again on yet another issue.
1 posted on 09/27/2007 10:08:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
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I have to be the first to say: What a Dingell-berry!


2 posted on 09/27/2007 10:09:19 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: MNJohnnie

A $5 tax on cigars and a 50 cent a gallon tax hike on gasoline. This is outrageous. Especially when all the country needs is a good 5 cent cigar and a place to smoke it.


3 posted on 09/27/2007 10:10:38 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Hillary 2008: "The willing suspension of disbelief")
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To: MNJohnnie

This old relic and his ancient ideas needs to be put out to pasture. He is a menace to society.


4 posted on 09/27/2007 10:11:34 AM PDT by kempster
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To: MNJohnnie
...who is marking his 52nd year in Congress

This is the absolute crux of the problem.

5 posted on 09/27/2007 10:11:40 AM PDT by Buffalo Bob
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To: MNJohnnie

Yep - because that’ll certainly bring gas prices down, won’t it. The pundits were right - the DemoRATS will now be using the Global Warming Chicken Little Umbrella in order to institute new taxes “for our own good.” Trouble is, of course, that everyone’s getting sick of both the global warming mantra in general and these idiot Dems in Congress in particular. We were warned they’d raise taxes and OH LOOK! They are.


6 posted on 09/27/2007 10:13:10 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

How about before we soak Joe Middle Class with a huge tax increase, let’s first cut entitlement spending by 50% and cut Congressional salaries by 50%. Do that first, then we’ll talk about a gas tax increase.


7 posted on 09/27/2007 10:14:20 AM PDT by jgilbert63
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To: Right Cal Gal

Brilliant idea. Many Americans are up in arms over the high price of gas, so this will go over really well.

I suppose though that the people screaming loudest about all that gasoline revenue lining the pockets of Bush, Cheney, and their big oil buddies will have no problem paying much higher taxes because this is “for the children!”


8 posted on 09/27/2007 10:15:10 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: JerseyDvl
I have to be the first to say: What a Dingell-berry!

Can you say, DINGBAT! Democrats are the ruination of this country - them along with all communist orgs like ACLU, Code Pink and the list goes on.....But the sheeple keep reelecting and contributing to THEIR own future downfall. Pitiful.

9 posted on 09/27/2007 10:15:44 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: MNJohnnie
I don’t understand why the Republicans don’t use this and other raising tax comments to frame the democrats positions. The Republicans will just let it go and let the dims back them into a corner.
10 posted on 09/27/2007 10:17:19 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: Right Cal Gal
Reading this I was reminded of a couple of the old saying.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips,

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

11 posted on 09/27/2007 10:17:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ vrs the "Worse than Watergate Congress")
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To: JerseyDvl

A tax that hurts the poor workers that Dems burble over all the time; will injure the middle class workers that actually run this nation; and will even dent the public transportation system Dems love, are all reasons why Dems should lose Congress’ control. That they won’t shows the stupidity of many voters.


12 posted on 09/27/2007 10:18:19 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: martinidon
Oh YEAH, that is REAL helpful. Don't EVER find ANY reason to attack the Democrats. NO instead on EVERY thread whine relentlessly about the GOP.

Why don't you Democrat PR mouthpiece simply go JOIN them instead of spending all your time trash talking our side?

13 posted on 09/27/2007 10:19:19 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ vrs the "Worse than Watergate Congress")
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To: MNJohnnie

The moronic Michigan Democrats have returned this guy to Congress 26 times (and, really, 37 times) - despite the fact that he lives in a UAW district where a gas tax would be yet another blow at one of MI’s few remaining large employers.


14 posted on 09/27/2007 10:19:49 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: MNJohnnie
What does he propose to do with the money that will decrease the effect of climate change?

I think the war on poverty should remind everyone that they have no freaking clue what they're doing and the money won't make one damn bit of difference.

15 posted on 09/27/2007 10:21:35 AM PDT by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: MNJohnnie

Another aspect of his proposal that could adversely affect the economy enormously is later in the story...

“—Phaseout of the interest tax deduction on home mortgages for homes over 3,000 square feet. Owners would keep most of the deduction for homes at the lower end of the scale, but it would be eliminated entirely for homes of 4,200 feet or more.

He estimates that would affect 10 percent of homeowners. He says “it’s only fair” to tax those who buy large suburban houses and create urban sprawl. Historic and farm houses would be exempted.”


16 posted on 09/27/2007 10:22:21 AM PDT by Breyean
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To: Buffalo Bob

...who is marking his 52nd year in Congress
This is the absolute crux of the problem.

Yep, time for the last roundup for Dingbat and KKK man, and Murtha, and________ (list your favorite Dems to go). Some are not even old, just insane!


17 posted on 09/27/2007 10:23:22 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Right Cal Gal

Simply to point this out....living in Germany....there is a $5 a gallon tax on gas...a 19 percent sales tax, a 25-35 percent income tax, and a 13.5 percent tax for healthcare. Any idiot who thinks a gas tax will cover medical costs...is simply not facing the massive cost of medical coverage for families.


18 posted on 09/27/2007 10:23:42 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: MNJohnnie

same story here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1903026/posts


19 posted on 09/27/2007 10:24:41 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: Buffalo Bob
This is the absolute crux of the problem.

Compounding it is the fact that a Dingell has held the MI 15th Congressional District since it was drawn up in 1932. John Dingell Senior died halfway through his 11th term and was replaced by John Dingell Jr. in a special election.

20 posted on 09/27/2007 10:26:14 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: libs_kma

It makes a big difference. All that tax money allows “walkin’ around” money payments to get re-elected.


21 posted on 09/27/2007 10:30:34 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: pepsionice

My best friend was one of the civilian housing officers at Ramstein. He told me he could have made a FORTUNE selling the U.S. gas coupons they were issued.

In fact, isn’t the tax per Litre? Which makes it even more oppresssive.


22 posted on 09/27/2007 10:31:29 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: TNCMAXQ
Many Americans are up in arms over the high price of gas, so this will go over really well

The people who are dumb enough to vote Dem in the first place aren't even aware of how much tax is included in the price of a gallon of gasoline. If this tax ever passes, it will be immediately followed by a barrage of MSM stories about record oil company profits and CEO salaries. By the time the idiots see the jump at the pump, they'll already have their bad guy.

23 posted on 09/27/2007 10:33:43 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Breyean
Historic and farm houses would be exempted

In other words, middle class families who work hard and do well and can afford to build nice-sized homes will be punished.

Meanwhile, the homes of the very wealthy will be exempt - since they have already inherited historic homes or will be able to spend millions to purchase and rehab old properties.

24 posted on 09/27/2007 10:33:48 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: MNJohnnie

“the pain is shared in a way that is fair, proper, acceptable and accomplishes the basic purpose”

This sort of tax is regressive. It has the greatest impact on the rural poor. They usually have long distances to travel for work, etc. They usually have no other alternative form of transportation. They usually are already paying the greatest cost for gas because they are subsidizing competitive pricing in urban areas.

This has a compound effect on the viability of local businesses in rural areas that cannot compete with other areas and countries because the cost of transporting the raw materials they produce becomes a limiting factor. Also, agriculture and timber indistries are large comsumers of oil products (diesel and fertilizers) and the tax, unless they are exempted, could raise the costs of inputs into their business. This could raise the cost of domestic food and wood products or render them non-competitive with foreign producers. It also creates greater input costs for the production of alternative fuels such as biomass and ethanol.

Bad urban idea.


25 posted on 09/27/2007 10:34:07 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: MNJohnnie

This will be one of the issues that will doom the Democrats. If Republicans are stupid and don’t take a firm stand against the Global warming foolishness they will be passing up a sure fire way to drive a wedge between the public and the Democrats desire for new taxes.

I’d be repeating a simple mantra, “Democrats think you aren’t paying enough for gasoline.” “Raise your hand if you think you don’t pay enough taxes or enough for your gasoline?”. It should be cast in terms of food and milk for babies. Tell the people in the crowds that you aren’t going to stand by while the carbon taxes and gasoline taxes raise the cost of groceries. I’d also put together a whole slew of simple effective phrases that will continually cast doubt in the mind of the public where the silly claims and fears of global warming are concerned. Make it a fight. People will have a propensity to not want to believe anything that will raise their taxes and cost of gasoline. Don’t let the left get away with this big lie.


26 posted on 09/27/2007 10:39:11 AM PDT by Maelstorm (You must not just speak sense, your words must be crafted to resonate in the minds of morons.)
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To: MNJohnnie

What is the cure for Dingell?


27 posted on 09/27/2007 10:40:16 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: jgilbert63

“How about before we soak Joe Middle Class with a huge tax increase, let’s first cut entitlement spending by 50% and cut Congressional salaries by 50%. Do that first, then we’ll talk about a gas tax increase.”

I like your way of thinking.


28 posted on 09/27/2007 10:42:16 AM PDT by hoe_cake
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To: MNJohnnie

Good luck Buckwheat!


29 posted on 09/27/2007 10:45:19 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: MNJohnnie
TERM LIMITS

Needed to save the Republic from these damned lifetime political careerists.

Damn them all!

30 posted on 09/27/2007 10:47:49 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: MNJohnnie
There is a reason the Republicans are a minority and it has nothing to do with me or anyone else complaining about there actions. And to add to my whining, if they don’t get their heads out of their asses, they are going to be in the minority in 2008 with a dim president!
31 posted on 09/27/2007 10:53:18 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: MNJohnnie

Gentlemen:

Please direct the congressterd to the following...

http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/


32 posted on 09/27/2007 10:54:31 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: martinidon

Considering that the guy just released this you might want to allow the GOP candidates a little time to answer.

I would be very surprised if Thompson at least does not jump on this. And I would expect that most, if not all, the imprtant GOP candidates to hit this.


33 posted on 09/27/2007 10:56:14 AM PDT by scory
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To: MNJohnnie

You know, if we can’t turn this into a winning issue, there’s no hope left for the country.


34 posted on 09/27/2007 10:57:20 AM PDT by Marathoner
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To: MNJohnnie

He can KISS my ***, I don’t get ANYTHING back by supposedly “reducing Global warming”. THis is just another liberal-spendthrift policy (probably to pay for another bloated government program).


35 posted on 09/27/2007 10:58:32 AM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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"I'm trying to have everybody understand that this is going to cost and that it's going to have a measure of pain that you're not going to like,"

Fine. I have an idea. Resign fro the political trough and go back to where you came from and get a real job and pay for your own perks and maybe you'll get a clue how it feels to have a bunch of cavalier clowns like you pissing our money away faster than we can earn it

36 posted on 09/27/2007 11:00:49 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: MNJohnnie

All we need to do to fight global warming is get all that hot air out of Washington D C.


37 posted on 09/27/2007 11:03:27 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: scory
If this were a Republican making this comment, Pelosi and Reid would have already had press releases out and the dims would be preparing their talking points for the MSM talking head news shows.
I will wait and see how the Republicans respond, but if past experience says anything it will be a long wait.....
38 posted on 09/27/2007 11:11:59 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: MNJohnnie

My husband and I talked about the GOP loss in
06.He was up in arms over the fact that the dems took control of congress and said he just KNOWS that the dems will take the WH in 08.
I told him then,”you worry too much. All you gotta do is just let the dems be,and they’ll spend so much time tripping over their own male-type organs that by the time election day comes,their own constituents-as well as those with a brain-will be so fed up with them,there’s no way they’ll get elected.”
The party’s moved even further into moonbat territory than they were during Clinton’s salad days,and too many folks will see that,and that will seal their fate.
I have faith. I’m NOT worried.They keep doing one horrendously stupid thing after another,and isn’t it delicious that they’re doing it now,right before we get to the really serious part of the election cycle?


39 posted on 09/27/2007 11:13:37 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (Finally, Fred!...Welcome aboard!..Now,Go get 'em,boy!!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I think this might be a poison pill - he does not want this increase because he is very much a “car company” guy. It is like lowering the blood alcohol level to .02. It looks like you REALLY care when in fact you just want nothing to be approved.


40 posted on 09/27/2007 11:13:52 AM PDT by xcullen
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To: Bitsy

Double-Dog Dittos to that!! Give Dingbat and the other RAT/lib/socialists more money, and they will SPEND it on everything BUT “climate change”. Just look at how the legislators spent all of the “for the children” money they got from “Big Tobacco.” (Must — check — blood pressure!)


41 posted on 09/27/2007 11:14:03 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: MNJohnnie
THE PARTY OF THE WORKIN' MAN!

Idiots actually vote this way, actually believing this. This tax increase will devastate the lower middle class, the so-called "working poor" that the PARTY OF THE WORKIN' MAN! claims to represent.

To the struggling $11-an-hour worker, the PARTY OF THE WORKIN' MAN! says: Take the bus. Oh, you have to take three buses to get to your job? Too bad. Suck it up.

42 posted on 09/27/2007 11:17:16 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: MNJohnnie

the other idiot lifer rep named “john” from MI weighs in.

considering the budget crisis MI is in right now, why on earth are any of the MI reps allowed to open their mouths regarding any type of funding/ taxes?


43 posted on 09/27/2007 11:28:10 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: MNJohnnie

And the sad thing is its a set-up that everyone will fall for. People will protest, fight, yada yada yada and they will get the 50 cent increase cut to 10 or 15.

As people celebrate their big victory the politicians will laugh at how thats all they wanted in the first place....

Happens all the time.


44 posted on 09/27/2007 11:41:52 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: MNJohnnie
Dingell, Dingell, Dingell. Twisting in the wind.
45 posted on 09/27/2007 12:16:49 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: pepsionice

In the United States it is more that a few miles to get to the store in most cases. If you live in a small country a $5.00 tax on a gallon of gasoline that will take you from border to border sounds good. But in this country a gallon of gasoline will not get you out of most cities.


46 posted on 09/27/2007 12:28:55 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: MNJohnnie

Dingle is another walking poster-boy for mandatory term limits.


47 posted on 09/27/2007 12:31:11 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Buffalo Bob
...who is marking his 52nd year in Congress

That's as far as you have to read.

48 posted on 09/27/2007 12:32:27 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: MNJohnnie

I still don’t understand how increasing taxes will change the climate. I guess I’m dense.


49 posted on 09/27/2007 12:58:17 PM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: JerseyDvl
Coming from “elected”politicians who have more perks on our dime that they can use,legislate raises for themselves,pass laws for themselves that do not pertain to us common folk,which would put many of us under the jail,best health care Americans could only dream of,and an endless list of the same.
Hypocrisy and a sense of entitlement that would shame anyone with any sense of humility.To sit on their thrones and all they can do is attempt to “make work” which consists of basically nothing worthwhile.And we pay and pay.We deserve some of the blame.Either we have become complacent,or have been educated[indoctrinated]or are just plain stupid.Training to be a professional politician when many are of dubious character will be par for the course in many”prestigious”higher education facilities.The poster College would be Columbia,which I hated capitalizing.
50 posted on 09/27/2007 1:02:47 PM PDT by xarmydog
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