Posted on 10/04/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by Soft Bigotry
After two hours of deliberation, we voted on a resolution that can be summarized as follows: If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life, we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate. Those agreeing with the proposition were invited to stand. The result was almost unanimous.
The other issue discussed at length concerned the advisability of creating a third party if Democrats and Republicans do indeed abandon the sanctity of human life and other traditional family values. Though there was some support for the proposal, no consensus emerged.
Speaking personally, and not for the organization I represent or the other leaders gathered in Salt Lake City, I firmly believe that the selection of a president should begin with a recommitment to traditional moral values and beliefs. Those include the sanctity of human life, the institution of marriage, and other inviolable pro-family principles. Only after that determination is made can the acceptability of a nominee be assessed.
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From what I can tell, the majority of the squishy “fence sitter” middle has already gone to the democrats. The hardcore conservative values voters are disgusted because they’ve finally figured out that politics is (gasp!) a dirty game. And the rest of the Republicans are left squabbling over scraps.
Oh I completely agree with what you said. However, I do think we still have a better shot with a repub than a dem because the dem will have the extreme leftists on their side, and hounding them constantly and as we all know, most dem politicians can’t fight the fringe, move on crowd. Pelosi, Reid, etc come to mind.
So two socialists and it’s down to the one who will fight for this country, WOT, etc. and one who will sell it out. I’m not a guiliani supporter anymore like I was at first, heck I don’t really support any of them and I’m disappointed in our choices this election. I know Rudy is not a social conservative. Neither is Romney but I’d still vote for him if he were the repub nominee. I like all of Hunter’s ideals but I don’t see him winning the nom. I like a ton about Tancredo but again I don’t see him winning the nom.
ITA. The repubs today have more in common with the dems, socialists. And we do need another party but one that can win. I don’t think any 3rd party can win today and I’m not willing to trhow away my vote this election. Get another repub president, one who values the military since no dems do, or more imporantly a repub congress, and let’s keep working on a real conservative party. That’s how I see it.
Been there. Done that.
This time, 2008, will be different.
I have made up my mind.
I will be doing something else, if a conservative fails to get the GOP Nomination and the thing ends up being run by a RINO at the helm who will bring us socialism and a borderless North American continent, only a little more slowly than the Democrats will do.
It is like having to chose between catching a ride home with a pal who will be driving who has had 7 beers and a pal who has had 5.
What is really the difference at the end of the day??
Just watch. They will do it.
Of course, they will get screwed in other ways, by merit of a Clinton Administration.
I understand the concept. I know History (and not the socialist/liberal history being shoved down students throats today).
And I disagree. I don’t think the problem with the GOP is based in socialism or even in the splitting of the party because of whiners who won’t support any candidate if that candidate doesn’t support their *issue* totally. Even though some do vote on one issue. Most voters today don’t know a darn thing about history: world history, US history, US Constitution, politics, government, etc. We don’t educate our kids, the next generation or generations, all they’re learning now is pop history, propaganda, media history which has no basis is facts. Take a look at the public (and that means ALL) school curriculum and it’s way different than what we were taught - most of these kids who support the Right to Choose have no idea about that SC case or about the people involved. Or how the woman recanted. Most of these kids are being educated, by our tax dollars, to lean toward a certain political agenda and there’s very little anyone can do about it. Sure we fight it but then we get sued, our twp/sch dis gets sued which costs us more money. We’re in this situation now with Garden State Equality suing our sch dis because we fought the That’s A FAmily video - a pro homo vid being taught to 8 yr olds/3rd graders. Cos homosexuality and transgenderism is normal and anyone who doesn’t believe that is odd. RME.
The GOP is this in current dilemna, imo, because it doesn’t fight back. It’s afraid. Maybe it’s part of the culture or fad today that if a lone nut case or two lone nut cases start shooting at you or your classmates, well then duck or hide rather than fighting back - because law abiding citizens can’t carry guns and all that. And honor means nothing and it’s ok to hide or run to save ourselves even when the chances point in the favor to the nut case and maybe storming him could save a few lives. But, we’re now taught to hide or don’t do anything to set a nut case off when they’re already set off. ??? Remember how scared certain senators became when we fought back about the Amnesty bill for illegals? We won that round. We wouldn’t have a fighting chance if those senators were dems.
The GOP is in this dilemna because we allowed this to happen and we can change it. There won’t be a change, drastic change, before 2008 election so I’m notwilling to throw away my vote. The change is happening now from what I’ve seen on this conservative board.
So if the election comes down to a repub nom who values our military and understands this war on terror and Islam to another who hates America, hates our military and doesn’t understand the War we’re fighting then yeah, I’ll vote for the former in a hearbeat. We won’t have any social issues to fight for or any freedoms if we lose this War.
Dear Dr. Dobson:
I realize that Mrs. Bill Clinton has your FBI file. I also realize that you probably have skeletons in your closet that you want kept there. Mrs. Bill Clinton’s only hope for election is to have a third party candidate siphon off enough votes to get her the electoral vote she needs to win. Ross Perot did this for her husband twice. Mrs Bill Clinton is not bright enough to think up a new plan; she will use the same one he used.
My question for you is simple. Is your personal life so important that you would sacrifice this country’s future in order to help Mrs Bill Clinton win? Are you that vain?
If the answer is “Yes”, may God have mercy on your soul, because history won’t.
One who's heart was hopelessly not in it, and the other one as exciting as a TV test pattern at 3:00 in the morning.
This can be avoided by the GOP doing "the right thing". There is still time.
Good for Dobson... Finally a Christian leader getting some nads..
.........”Dobson needs to seek the face of the L-rd.
He needs to address issues and not people.”..........
HE MAY HAVE, HAVE YOU???????
THE ISSUES ARE IN THE PEOPLE.
.....”Rudy can beat Clinton in 2008.”..........
NO THE CAN’T
DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME
Romans 3:8 (King James Version)
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
I think my damnation comes first... before thinking what the world thinks of me. But thanks for trying...
I feel certain, considering the political climate and the role of the media in politics, once we let go of family values they will disappear from politics for good. Any progress we've made in restricting abortion and holding off the gay agenda will be lost. Moral relativism will rule the land. Once the Republican Party believes they can force us to compromise they will write us off for good. We (Christians and pro-lifers) must stick together and vote for what we believe, not against Hillary. If we turn out in the primaries we can make sure Rudy doesn't get the nomination. It's not like we don't have any other choices!
Maybe, but he will have to do it without my family's vote.
SPOT ON!! And VERY well said, I might add!
Dear Mr. Ranger...
“Why do you help wicked people and love those who hate the LORD? The LORD’s anger is directed toward you because you have done this. 2 Chronicles 19:2
BULL!
If the Republicans nominate a pro-abortion candidate then they must have a desire to elect Hillary. That is the only rational conclusion.
They will, in effect, be saying to us conservative Christians: "If you will only agree with us to murder our children, then we can win the presidency!"
I will not put my eternal soul in jeopardy with such a deal. No sane person who understands what we believe would ask me to do so.
That's right for the campaign and the primary; but if the final nominees are Rudy and Hillary, you would be a self-righteous fool to try to stand on principle when the entire election belongs to "Caesar" anyway. We got Bill Clinton because of Ross Perot. Do you really want to bring an end to the United States Constitution if you can't have perfection in a candidate? Only God is perfect.
Amen to that. Dobson is politically naive. A sheep to the slaughter.
You are exactly correct, GB58. I, too, will NEVER vote for Rudy for any reason. Ever.
Those who agree with killing their own children just to win the presidency are traitors to their faith in Jesus Christ. They should look to their souls for they are willing to make a pact with the devil.
I doubt the legitimacy of their faith in the true Jesus who loved little children and became angry with His disciples when they wouldn't let children come to sit with Him.
Jesus said it would be better for a person to be drowned in the sea than that he injure one of these little ones.
Maybe, maybe not.
I am reminded of the stranglehold rats have on "minorities" and secular Jews. It always amazes me that those groups can vote for a party that does them such a disservice and holds them in such low regard.
I guess conservatives are now in the same boat and we can answer ourselves how a party can keep a group "on the plantation".
I've never appreciated a man peeing on my boot and telling me it's raining. A great many republicans have already told me that I'm a sexist and a racist, I guess I should just consider it rain and be a good slave and mash that old "R" button even thought I know it's for a party that doesn't share my values and appears to think that I'm some sort of low life. My party, right or wrong. I guess Zell Miller is the only person allowed to have standards.
Let's hope it doesn't come to this but if the republican party wants to spend the next 40 years in the wilderness so be it, I didn't leave the party, the party left me.
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