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Vatican publishes Knights Templar papers
Yahoo News ^ | Oct. 12, 2007 | Frances D'Emelio

Posted on 10/12/2007 5:00:39 PM PDT by Rennes Templar

VATICAN CITY - It's not the Holy Grail, but for fans of "The Da Vinci Code" and its tantalizing story line about the Knights Templar, it could be the next best thing.

Ignored for centuries, documents about the heresy trial of the ancient Christian order discovered in the Vatican's secret archives are being published in a limited edition — with an $8,377 price tag.

They include a 14th-century parchment showing that Pope Clement V initially absolved the Templar leaders of heresy, though he did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order, according to the Vatican archives Web site.

But pressured by King Philip IV of France, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.

Only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, "Processus Contra Templarios," — Latin for "Trial against the Templars" — are for sale, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives. Each will cost $8,377, the publisher said Friday.

An 800th copy will go to Pope Benedict XVI, said Barbara Frale, the researcher who found the long-overlooked parchment tucked away in the archives in 2001.

The Knights Templar, which ultimately disappeared because of the heresy scandal, recently captivated the imagination of readers of the best-seller "The Da Vinci Code," which linked the order to the legend of the Holy Grail.

The new Vatican work reproduces the entire documentation of the papal hearings convened after Philip IV of France arrested and tortured Templar leaders in 1307 on charges of heresy and immorality.

The military order of the Poor Knights of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon was founded in 1118 in Jerusalem to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land after the First Crusade.

As their military might increased, the Templars also grew in wealth, acquiring property throughout Europe and running a primitive banking system. After they left the Middle East with the collapse of the Crusader kingdoms, their power and secretive ways aroused the fear of European rulers and sparked accusations of corruption and blasphemy.

Historians believe Philip owed debts to the Templars and used the accusations to arrest their leaders and extract, under torture, confessions of heresy in order to seize the order's riches.

The publishing house said the new book includes the "Parchment of Chinon," a 1308 decision by Clement to save the Templars and their order.

Frale said the three-foot-wide document probably had been ignored because a catalog entry in 1628 was "too vague."

"Unfortunately, there was an archiving error, an error in how the document was described," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from her home in Viterbo, north of Rome. "More than an error, it was a little sketchy."

The parchment, in remarkably good condition considering its 700 years, apparently had last been consulted at the start of the 20th century, Frale said, surmising that its significance must not have been realized then.

Frale said she was intrigued by the 1628 entry because, while it apparently referred to some minor matter, it noted that three top cardinals, including Pope Clement's right-hand man, Berenger Fredol, had made a long journey to interrogate someone.

"Going on with my research, it turned out that in reality it was an inquest of very great importance," she said.

Fredol "had gone to question the Great Master and other heads of the Templars who had been segregated, practically kidnapped, by the king of France and shut up in secret in his castle in Chinon on the Loire."

Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Templars, was burned at the stake in 1314 along with his aides.

The surviving monks fled. Some were absorbed by other orders, and over the centuries, various groups have claimed to be descended from the Templars.

As for Clement, he "was a hostage in French territory" on the eve of what historians would call the Avignon period of popes, Frale said.

She said the parchment reveals the cardinals reached the conclusion the Templars were guilty of abuses but not "a real and true heresy."

"There were a lot of faults in the order — abuses, violence ... a lot of sins, but not heresy," she said.

These included forcing new recruits to "reject Christ in words and spit on the cross," in imitation of the violence suffered by knights when captured by Muslims, Frale said. New members were kicked and punched if they refused to undergo this kind of hazing, she added.

Philip had "confiscated all the wealth of the order, which he used to pay his debts," said Frale, who has written three books about the Templars. "Had the (order) survived, it's clear that Philip ... would have had to give back all" the wealth.

"But the king of France had already spent it," she said.


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To: toomanygrasshoppers

PING


41 posted on 10/12/2007 6:30:57 PM PDT by FrogHawk (watchforlowflyingfrogs)
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To: Rennes Templar
I'm going to have to update my edition of the Illuminati card game . . .
FNORD!

42 posted on 10/12/2007 6:31:48 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (When the dog bites, when the bee stings, when you're feeling sad ... Bush's fault.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
I wonder what they charge for a bible?

The Roman Catholic Church has traditionally opposed Bibles in the hands of the laity.

From the Council of Toulouse:

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

From the Council of Tarragona:

Canon 2. No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.

And the current RCC has been silent on the matter of allowing private interpretation although they've had to get with the program on free speech because their bans on vernacular Bibles (which were last stated in the 1983 Code of Canon Law) are wholly irrelavant to the citizens of free nations. The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

Which is as it should be.

43 posted on 10/12/2007 6:36:56 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Miller Beer? I *pee* better beer.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Absent the Templars there would be no Western Civilization.


44 posted on 10/12/2007 6:39:16 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Miller Beer? I *pee* better beer.)
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To: Rennes Templar

saving


45 posted on 10/12/2007 7:09:11 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Spktyr

“Amusingly, doesn’t this mean that the descendants of the slaughtered Templars should be able to sue France for damages plus interest?”

After the Terror, doubtful...


46 posted on 10/12/2007 7:17:06 PM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
Why don’t you take your animosity toward the “Roman Church” and shove it?

OH!!! You didn't turn the other cheek like Jesus says...

And no matter how you "spin it" the Roman Catholic Church was complicit in that sordid chapter. 20 Hail Marys for you sinner...

47 posted on 10/12/2007 7:21:47 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I am certain you don’t get what is being said or is this your turn to bash the Catholic Church?

You are the second moron to ask me this. What is wrong with you? It seems the Muslims aren't the ONLY religion that is zealously defended to the death. And quite frankly, the Roman Catholic church has done a LOT to deserve being bashed. But that wasn't my intention in my previous post.

20 Hail Marys for you too, sir/madam!

48 posted on 10/12/2007 7:26:19 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: LurkingSince'98
I am certain you don’t get what is being said or is this your turn to bash the Catholic Church?

You are the second moron to ask me this. What is wrong with you? It seems the Muslims aren't the ONLY religion that is zealously defended to the death. And quite frankly, the Roman Catholic church has done a LOT to deserve being bashed. But that wasn't my intention in my previous post.

20 Hail Marys for you too, sir/madam!

49 posted on 10/12/2007 7:26:24 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I wait until I see one for $9.99 on eBay.


50 posted on 10/12/2007 7:44:36 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My number one goal in life is to leave a bigger carbon footprint than Al Gore.)
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To: PeterFinn
The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

I guess all those nuns, priests and religous ed. teachers I had in parochial schools didn't get that memo. They made me carry the bible to class every day.
51 posted on 10/12/2007 7:51:43 PM PDT by bagadonutz (The road goes on forever and the party never ends! - R E Keene)
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To: Rennes Templar
Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Templars, was burned at the stake in 1314 along with his aides.

An integral lesson in the Order of de Molay. I will say no more other than I was a proud member before becoming a Mason.

Nam Vet

52 posted on 10/12/2007 7:53:42 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Timely reporting from Attila's right flank)
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To: Pontiac

I quoted the Catholic Encyclopedia dopey. It specifically blames nobles in Philip’s court. Like or don’t that’s what it says.


53 posted on 10/12/2007 7:55:55 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: PeterFinn

The idea that the laity shouldn’t have bibles is crap.


54 posted on 10/12/2007 7:57:00 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Rennes Templar

Greedy buggers. This should be published as a PDF and put in libraries around the world.


55 posted on 10/12/2007 8:03:52 PM PDT by RochesterFan
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To: LurkingSince'98
What specifically was concocted hundred years after the Crucifixication?

Well, I've spent a life time (I'm a great grandparent) studying, reading, researching - and that's half the fun. I wouldn't want to spoil the hunt for anyone else. But I'll give you one small but huge example: They knew the Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.

56 posted on 10/12/2007 8:33:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: PeterFinn
The RCC may yet still frown on people having their own Bibles but they are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

Nonsense. I went to a catholic high school and not only were we required to have a copy of the bible and to read it, we were given the opportunity to participate in sharing our interpretations of it in class.

57 posted on 10/12/2007 8:35:40 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: John123

Ummm... Did you entirely misread the article? The Roman Church vindicated the Knights Templar; the secular government of France killed them. (in this sense “secular” means only as opposed to “ecclesiastical”; I do not claim that the government of France wasn’t Catholic.) And they were hardly innocent.


58 posted on 10/12/2007 8:52:09 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ReignOfError

You jest, but the answer is probably “yes.” Influenced by Free Masons, following the Calvinist-Catholic wars, the Swiss emerged as formally neutral in European conflicts (including to their eternal dishonor, WWII). Hence, the Swiss flag became a symbol of neutrality, including medical workers in battlefields. Thereby, it became a symbol of also of medicine in general.


59 posted on 10/12/2007 8:57:59 PM PDT by dangus
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To: RKV
It specifically blames nobles in Philip’s court. Like or don’t that’s what it says.

Well “Grumpy” that was not what I had a problem with.

It is the rewriting history I had a problem with.

Templars is going to have to be re-written to blame the Pope as co-conspirator for the murder of the Templars and the theft of their property.

Any rewrite would have to say that Clemet was coerced in to executing the Templars. But that would not be much of a rewrite.

60 posted on 10/12/2007 9:00:53 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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