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Vatican publishes Knights Templar papers
Yahoo News ^ | Oct. 12, 2007 | Frances D'Emelio

Posted on 10/12/2007 5:00:39 PM PDT by Rennes Templar

VATICAN CITY - It's not the Holy Grail, but for fans of "The Da Vinci Code" and its tantalizing story line about the Knights Templar, it could be the next best thing.

Ignored for centuries, documents about the heresy trial of the ancient Christian order discovered in the Vatican's secret archives are being published in a limited edition — with an $8,377 price tag.

They include a 14th-century parchment showing that Pope Clement V initially absolved the Templar leaders of heresy, though he did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order, according to the Vatican archives Web site.

But pressured by King Philip IV of France, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.

Only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, "Processus Contra Templarios," — Latin for "Trial against the Templars" — are for sale, said Scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the Vatican's secret archives. Each will cost $8,377, the publisher said Friday.

An 800th copy will go to Pope Benedict XVI, said Barbara Frale, the researcher who found the long-overlooked parchment tucked away in the archives in 2001.

The Knights Templar, which ultimately disappeared because of the heresy scandal, recently captivated the imagination of readers of the best-seller "The Da Vinci Code," which linked the order to the legend of the Holy Grail.

The new Vatican work reproduces the entire documentation of the papal hearings convened after Philip IV of France arrested and tortured Templar leaders in 1307 on charges of heresy and immorality.

The military order of the Poor Knights of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon was founded in 1118 in Jerusalem to protect pilgrims in the Holy Land after the First Crusade.

As their military might increased, the Templars also grew in wealth, acquiring property throughout Europe and running a primitive banking system. After they left the Middle East with the collapse of the Crusader kingdoms, their power and secretive ways aroused the fear of European rulers and sparked accusations of corruption and blasphemy.

Historians believe Philip owed debts to the Templars and used the accusations to arrest their leaders and extract, under torture, confessions of heresy in order to seize the order's riches.

The publishing house said the new book includes the "Parchment of Chinon," a 1308 decision by Clement to save the Templars and their order.

Frale said the three-foot-wide document probably had been ignored because a catalog entry in 1628 was "too vague."

"Unfortunately, there was an archiving error, an error in how the document was described," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from her home in Viterbo, north of Rome. "More than an error, it was a little sketchy."

The parchment, in remarkably good condition considering its 700 years, apparently had last been consulted at the start of the 20th century, Frale said, surmising that its significance must not have been realized then.

Frale said she was intrigued by the 1628 entry because, while it apparently referred to some minor matter, it noted that three top cardinals, including Pope Clement's right-hand man, Berenger Fredol, had made a long journey to interrogate someone.

"Going on with my research, it turned out that in reality it was an inquest of very great importance," she said.

Fredol "had gone to question the Great Master and other heads of the Templars who had been segregated, practically kidnapped, by the king of France and shut up in secret in his castle in Chinon on the Loire."

Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Templars, was burned at the stake in 1314 along with his aides.

The surviving monks fled. Some were absorbed by other orders, and over the centuries, various groups have claimed to be descended from the Templars.

As for Clement, he "was a hostage in French territory" on the eve of what historians would call the Avignon period of popes, Frale said.

She said the parchment reveals the cardinals reached the conclusion the Templars were guilty of abuses but not "a real and true heresy."

"There were a lot of faults in the order — abuses, violence ... a lot of sins, but not heresy," she said.

These included forcing new recruits to "reject Christ in words and spit on the cross," in imitation of the violence suffered by knights when captured by Muslims, Frale said. New members were kicked and punched if they refused to undergo this kind of hazing, she added.

Philip had "confiscated all the wealth of the order, which he used to pay his debts," said Frale, who has written three books about the Templars. "Had the (order) survived, it's clear that Philip ... would have had to give back all" the wealth.

"But the king of France had already spent it," she said.


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To: dangus
You jest, but the answer is probably “yes.” Influenced by Free Masons, following the Calvinist-Catholic wars, the Swiss emerged as formally neutral in European conflicts (including to their eternal dishonor, WWII). Hence, the Swiss flag became a symbol of neutrality, including medical workers in battlefields. Thereby, it became a symbol of also of medicine in general.

You're joking, right? We're talking about the freaking CROSS here. It didn't originate with the Templars or the Swiss. It began at Calvary. And it became an emblem for medicine in an era when most nurses were nuns.

61 posted on 10/12/2007 9:17:44 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Spktyr

Congress should issue a condemnation to the Vatican for the Templar genocide committed in 1314.


62 posted on 10/12/2007 9:23:50 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: WorkingClassFilth

For starters, they contributed many advances in engineering,architecture, banking and shipping.


63 posted on 10/12/2007 9:25:31 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: goodnesswins

I’m no expert, but I am fascinated by their mysterious history. “The History of the Knights Templars” by Charles Addison is a good primer.


64 posted on 10/12/2007 9:27:58 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: maine-iac7

“the bare bones truths are far more beautiful and believable”

Amen. The trick is finding them.


65 posted on 10/12/2007 9:30:50 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: maine-iac7

“They were a danger to Rome because they knew the truth - and revered the truth, not what was concocted hundreds of years after the Crucifixion”.

Bingo. This fact repudiates those who would exonerate the church.


66 posted on 10/12/2007 9:35:40 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: PeterFinn

What is your source?

I find no mention of any such documents, except on the ameteur web pages of counter-catholic apologists. I also find a book published in the 19th century by John McClintock. Even that book cites the Council only as a regional, and permits the use of the breviary (which McClintock probably didn’t realize includes the entire NT and Psalmistry), and even then for the purpose of suppressing the Albigensian heresy. The modern websites use the same lanugage as this book, as does yours, so I presume it is their source. Yet the words they put into the mouth of the Church are plainly those of McClintock, who uses such words as “Romish” in describing other canons of this council.

It seems there certainly were several such councils. The ones of 1109 and 1219 are, at the very least, far more famous. In 1229, the Dominican Inquisition was formed, which makes subsequent councils seem unlikely.

Some of the same sources cite a Council of Tarragona, shortly thereafter. There was a 6th century synod of Tarragona, but that is plainly not what you are referring to. I googled “COuncil of Tarragona” and “Romance language” and got only eight results, omitting duplicates.

The prime source for that seems to be Ellen Gould White. She claimed that the pope’s tiara was inscribed with “666.” I’ve seen the tiara. She also claimed that the pope’s title was Vicarius Filii Dei, and that added up to 666. The Pope has probably been referenced by 100 titles in official documents. That appears in no official documents. (The Pope is vicar of Christ in his human nature, Son of Man, not in his divine nature.)


67 posted on 10/12/2007 9:45:10 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I was especially referring to issues of faith.


68 posted on 10/12/2007 9:47:04 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: RKV

“The idea that the laity shouldn’t have bibles is crap.”

It is, and this is an excellent example of the church’s need for control.The church was extremely theologically, and ergo secularly, threatened by the Templars.


69 posted on 10/12/2007 9:56:10 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: ReignOfError

No, I am referring specifically to the Swiss cross, which is an eight-way symmetrical cross, with arms equal to its height, comprising the five non-corner ninths of a 3 by 3 square, and is red set on a white background. Although presumably a highly stylized image of the crucifixion, it is abstracted to a degree that it has lost all elements of something apon which one could be crucified, including dimension, thickness and form.

The Red Cross society (now the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement) chose its symbol in honor of Swiss founder Henry Durant, and became a symbol used for medicine in the Geneva Convention. It had been the Swiss symbol since 1289.


70 posted on 10/12/2007 9:56:58 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ReignOfError
It began at Calvary

I think if you do some honest research, you'll find the cross was used long before Calvary

71 posted on 10/12/2007 10:09:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: maine-iac7
I think if you do some honest research, you'll find the cross was used long before Calvary

As an instrument of torture and death, not a symbol of mercy. No one would look to the cross for comfort before Jesus was crucified. It would be like taking solace in a noose or an electric chair.

72 posted on 10/12/2007 10:15:03 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError; dangus; maine-iac7

“You’re joking, right? We’re talking about the freaking CROSS here. It didn’t originate with the Templars or the Swiss. It began at Calvary. And it became an emblem for medicine in an era when most nurses were nuns”

True, the concept began at Calvary, but I believe the Templars were the first order to use the red cross.

The esoteric meaning of the cross concept on Calvary is the Ruby Cross, the four points of which correspond to the attributes of sacrifice, selflessness, service and surrender, which the Knights exemplified.
The concept of the Calvary cross also indicates the nexus where spirit meets matter, the vertical bar being spirit and the horizontal representing matter. The center point is the point of divinity in man.

IMHO, the concept of the crucifix is an idea that runs counter to Christ’s teaching. Jesus was on the cross for 3 hours; the church has had him there 2000 years. His victory over death, not his death, was what I believe he wanted us to focus on.

These are concepts I believe the Templars knew and were a threat to the church.


73 posted on 10/12/2007 10:24:59 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Nam Vet

I’m not one. What do they say re the Templars?


74 posted on 10/12/2007 10:35:26 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Rennes Templar

You’re especially an idiot then. Have a nice life.


75 posted on 10/13/2007 6:00:10 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Rennes Templar; ottoman

Wow. You make a lot of presumption.

>> IMHO, the concept of the crucifix is an idea that runs counter to Christ’s teaching. Jesus was on the cross for 3 hours; the church has had him there 2000 years. His victory over death, not his death, was what I believe he wanted us to focus on. These are concepts I believe the Templars knew and were a threat to the church. <<

Then why were the Knights Templar conducting the tours to go visit Golgotha? Why did they adopt the cross as their emblem? Why did all the churches they helped establish have huge crosses hanging in them?

Consider that the pope regarded them as innocent of the crimes he had jurisdiction over, heresy, but noted that they were probably guilty of crimes he didn’t: spitting on the cross as a matter of ritual, sexual misconduct, etc. If the pope were slandering them by accusing them of misconduct, wouldn’t he have made public his slander, and downplayed is vindication? Wouldn’t he have slandered them about things in his purview? Instead, what we have is the pope fighting with Philip that the Knights were innocent of the crimes in his purview, even though he believed the Knights to be guilty of other severe crimes. The disbanding of the Knights was only sensible (and hardly a grave punishment!), since they no longer served their purpose, and, fairly or not, had become quite infamous.

Philip was a nasty man, including having committed horrid atrocities against the Knights Templar. But he hardly represented the Catholic Church, even having been ex-communicated. The action of the Catholic Church was to stand up to Philip and declare the innocence of the Knights. For this the Church is hated?

True, the Church “seized” the Knights’ money. But was this evil? Was not the money collected from pilgrims for the purpose of protecting the Holy Land? Were not the Knights sworn to poverty? If the Knights kept any money for any purpose other than for the Church, it’d be misappropriation of funds.


76 posted on 10/13/2007 7:11:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus; Rennes Templar; ottoman

(And let’s not forget that the ex-communicated Philip had just finished having a pope murdered.)


77 posted on 10/13/2007 7:13:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Rennes Templar
His victory over death, not his death, was what I believe he wanted us to focus on. These are concepts I believe the Templars knew and were a threat to the church.

Amen - and to follow what HE taught, what HE spent those years teaching - over and above what so many others, whose teaching are followed more, taught and were often in conflict with The Way. Jesus' teachings stand on their own. Beautiful. Simple. Profound and a direct connection...

78 posted on 10/13/2007 7:46:09 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: dangus

Then why were the Knights Templar conducting the tours to go visit Golgotha? Why did they adopt the cross as their emblem?

Pope Eugenius, upon the Knights pettion for recognition, actually mandated the red cross so the Knights would be easily recognized as protectors of the pilgrims. Both that Pope and the original nine Knights understood the inner meaning of the cross.

“Why did all the churches they helped establish have huge crosses hanging in them.”
They couldn’t throw out he baby with the bathwater. The Cathedral at Chartres (one of their most famous) has many esoteric architectural creations that reflect their understanding of sacred geometry and the alchemy of the soul. Dunping the cross would not have been PC.

“If the pope were slandering them by accusing them of misconduct, wouldn’t he have made public his slander...”

The Knights were popular with he laity. Public slander not good politically.
Pope Clement was not an innocent bystander. He gladly complied with Philip.

“Was not the money collected from pilgrims for the purpose of protecting the Holy Land?”

The Knights wealth was derived from nobles donating land and castles to the order, much of which was used to build magnificent cathedrals whose creations were intended to elevate the masses out of the sack cloth consciousness of the Via Dolorosa, another concocted teaching of the church. They did not owe a dime to the church.


79 posted on 10/13/2007 7:59:13 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

If they had made english the official language back then we wouldn’t be having this problem today.


80 posted on 10/13/2007 8:04:14 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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