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What do FreePers think:

should the House vote to categorize the Islamic massacre 1.5 Million Christians Armenians

as "Genocide", Or we need then in fighting the more radical Islamists?

1 posted on 10/14/2007 9:22:28 PM PDT by PRePublic
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Look, it was genocide; but beating up and humiliating our allies and being wimpish to our enemies is what the Democrat foreign policy is all about.

The measure was taken to make President Bush’s foreign policy more difficult to achieve.


2 posted on 10/14/2007 9:24:49 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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The glee of Nancy and company could only be surpassed by the NYTs and the WP. If we’re going to use guided munitions over this, I suggest we start there.


4 posted on 10/14/2007 9:28:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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US Tries To Halt Turkey Attack
5 posted on 10/14/2007 9:34:24 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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ask yourselves why this is happening now.


6 posted on 10/14/2007 9:34:31 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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Turkey is about to attack Northern Iraq and we are asking them not to.

This comes at a very bad time

7 posted on 10/14/2007 9:34:51 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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This genocide is already acknowledged in history books. There is no purpose, other than the Democrats agenda of sabotaging foreign relations, in senate passing such a motion.

In fact each of those responsible for this act should be charged with espionage, or crimes against the nation of some sort, and removed from office, fined, and thrown in prison.

If we had Republicans with some spine, this would be the ONLY topic in both houses until charges are laid.


8 posted on 10/14/2007 9:34:53 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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President Bush goes to bed each night wondering, “ what hell else could go wrong”, wakes up to his morning briefing and finds out the answer to his late night question. No wonder his hair is getting grey.


10 posted on 10/14/2007 9:36:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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should the House vote to categorize the Islamic massacre 1.5 Million Christians Armenians

Since that's what it was-yes.

11 posted on 10/14/2007 9:39:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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What do FreePers think:

  1. It was indeed genocide. Everyone knows this.
  2. The perfidious Turks closed our planned northern front in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
  3. They are still strongly secular, and if we rub their noses in it, we risk strengthening the hand of the Islamists.

In many ways it parallels the situation with Musharraf in Pakistan. He's a bastard, but he's our bastard, and the alternative is worse.

-ccm

12 posted on 10/14/2007 9:41:34 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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We (collectively, the U.S. public) complain about Iran “helping” the Iraqi dissidents while conveniently forgetting that we gave a great deal of aid and arms to the Taliban to use against the Russians.
This is more of the same: bitching about what the Turks did 90 years ago while forgetting what we did to the American Indians 150 years ago.
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”


15 posted on 10/14/2007 9:46:59 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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The House could have passed this resolution when Jimmy Carter, FDR or Woodrow Wilson was president. The timing makes it appear Democrats are, as they do daily, sabotaging the U.S. military and the war in Iraq.


16 posted on 10/14/2007 9:47:46 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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Shouldn’t this be a job for historians and not the US House?


17 posted on 10/14/2007 9:57:27 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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"Speaker Nancy Pelosi has been making statements advocating the recognition of the Armenian Genocide for 20 years. Besides, when I contacted her last November, before she was elected Speaker, she stated that she had been advocating the recognition of the Armenian Genocide for many years and intended to do so in the next year as well," [says Harut Sassounian President of the United Armenian Fund]

Here's more from the President of the United Armenian Fund..

"The Turkish side is well aware that the step to follow the admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey will be a demand for compensation and return of the lands. This is the reason why Turkey will not admit the Armenian Genocide . . . [actually] the admission of the Armenian Genocide is of no value. Our demands are: Turkey must compensate for the damages and return our lands. Our demands do not depend on the recognition of the Armenian Genocide before going on to the next steps. This is the reason that a symposium recently was held at the University of Southern California. Renowned specialists in international law were invited. They explained the rights the Armenian people have under international law, and to which courts Armenians could apply to settle this issue. Now specialists must study the lawyers’ advice and decide which issue should be submitted to which court, as there is the International Court of Justice, European Court of Human Rights, US Federal Courts, etc. This is a most important issue. It mmust be studied with all seriousness, because, if we lose in court, Turkey will claim that Armenians have no legal demands."

The whole Resolution 106 thing is a ruse, a game. Armenia already had started the steps to get damages and return of their lands.

While we all condemn time after time what sure looks like genocide we find that Armenia is messing with the national security of our Country by stirring up trouble between us and Turkey needlessly.

19 posted on 10/14/2007 10:02:45 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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The turks were murders and committed genocide. If a bunch of turks can't handle the fact they committed genocide then

they are no ally.

20 posted on 10/14/2007 10:04:03 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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Since this incident occurred 90 years ago, under a different Turkish government and is documented in most history books, I fail to see what this accomplishes.

It is, IMO, a political ploy to undermine what progress has been made in Iraq. How can the “war is lost” statements be justified if there is actually progress being made.

I hope I am wrong, but if I’m not..it sickens me.

22 posted on 10/14/2007 10:17:30 PM PDT by berdie
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It was might have been genocide but Turkey and the world has come a long way in 102 years, not the least of which is Turkey is a necessary and very valuable ally in NATO and the UN.

Turks fought valiantly in Korea on our side (the Chinese and NK were scared of them) and we ran intelligence missions from Turkey throughout the cold war. Turkey sitting on the Black Sea and controlling the straights kept the Soviet Union from using it as a private Mediterranean military pond.

They are rabidly anti communist and their military has had close ties with ours for decades. The resolution was s stupid, deliberate move on the part of a selfish democrat congress done completely to ruin our efforts on the war on terror.

24 posted on 10/14/2007 10:25:06 PM PDT by JSteff (Reality= realizing you are not nearly important enough for the government to tap your phone.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910482/posts?page=65#65


25 posted on 10/14/2007 10:31:59 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Mrs. Clinton reminds every happily re-married guy of his first wife." ~ Rush paraphrased.)
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The timing is everything on this one. Those who are proposing this, while having some definite sympathy for the Armenians and their plight, are being used by those who wish to hurt the policies of our CinC. I’m no big fan of the Turks, especially since they denied passage through their country of our 4ID, which I believe has led to much of the chaos that is going on in Iraq at this very moment. The fact of the matter is, however, that right now, we need the Turks to, if not actively help us, to at least passively do so. We need their country for our logistical train, and pissing them off right now will not help matters any. Do I think they committed genocide? Yes, I do. Do I like it when Europeans throw slavery and our treatment of the Native Americans in my face? No,I don’t! This whole matter has been turned into a political tool to hamstring this administration’s long term policy for the region. The dim controlled congress doesn’t have the guts to cut funding, which is their only true option to stop this War in an up front fashion , so they are trying to use a back door method, by denying our troops the support necessary to keep operations flowing in the North. This short sited policy decision for what they hope to be a means to grab power, has proven the dims to be what they are: traitors. This act will get a lot of people killed, both our allies and our own .


29 posted on 10/14/2007 10:36:46 PM PDT by rsquare (Amatuers study tactics, professionals study logistics(I'm not a pro))
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This belongs in the history books, not in congress. It’s a backhanded RAT attempt to sabatoge our efforts in the ME.


32 posted on 10/14/2007 10:42:41 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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Since the current government of Turkey is not the Ottoman empire this is more like trying to get the current Japanese government as set up by MacArthur to take the blame for the rape of Nanking by the now nonexistant Imperial Japanese government. What's the point of the US House passing such meaningless legislation? The legislature is just trying to meddle in the affairs of the executive branch and what's worse they are doing so in wartime with the intent of engineering the defeat of American and allied soldiers, and there's little doubt some are taking foreign money in payment for same.

The US Congress is not an authority on history, nor does history need a congressional seal of approval to be what it is. Unless Congress wants to declare war on the now nonexistant Ottoman empire, they have no business in the matter.

45 posted on 10/14/2007 11:14:01 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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