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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Umm, honesty? For Fred to ONLY have a 19 point lead over a northeasterner in Georgia is pretty sad. But remember, Rudy does not have to win Georgia--a second place finish in GA and AL are huge for him, because he'll have the very large delegate states of NY, CA, CT, NJ, PA, and FL, where Fred has no chance (Fred will probably fight McCain for a #2 in FL).

People keep ignoring delegates. The RealClearPolitics averages of polls show:

Mitt wins IA, NH, and probably MI. He's campaigning hard in SC, and could possibly take that. Then he's finished, unless a "bandwagon" momentum suddenly appears.

Rudy is way ahead in FL, competitive in SC, and will get some delegates from both IA and NH. Then Super Tuesday hits and all the huge delegate counts come in for him, except AZ.

The dirty little secret is that McCain is polling better against Hillary in KY, KS, MI, OH, WA, (and, I think) VA than Rudy (barely) and far better than Fred.

So I keep asking, where will Fred get his delegates? He not only needs wins in SC and MI, but #2 finishes in IA, NH, just to make it to Super Tuesday.

16 posted on 10/28/2007 7:01:00 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS
So I keep asking, where will Fred get his delegates? He not only needs wins in SC and MI, but #2 finishes in IA, NH, just to make it to Super Tuesday.

Exactly right, well said.
17 posted on 10/28/2007 7:03:05 AM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: LS

Interesting. I’m not up on the mechanics of all this. When you say he NEEDS second place in IA and NH, etc, to make it to Super Tuesday, do you mean he literally MUST? Do you get elimated without getting a certain number of delegates along the way?


20 posted on 10/28/2007 7:17:58 AM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: LS
I really think that with the competitiveness in the early states, that Fred must with SC in a landslide. That is not as important for the others, because they have multiple strong states either right before, or right after to help them out.

Mitt will have the Iowa, NH momentum. Rudy should have a strong NH, Florida win, and other big states to follow.

Even a solid middle of the road win in all of the states is good for McCain because he will have the staying power, so Fred must have a very, very strong showing in SC to keep it going.

Am I right that Georgia also splits their delegates more than others? Or am I thinking of one of the other southern states that Fred is hanging his hat on.

21 posted on 10/28/2007 7:25:44 AM PDT by codercpc
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Man, there are some genuine non-historians on this thread...

1980 IOWA - GHWB over Reagan.

1988 IOWA - Bob Dole over Pat Robertson. GHWB 3rd.

1996 NH - Pat Buchanan over Bob Dole.

2000 NH - John McCain over GWB.


23 posted on 10/28/2007 7:32:57 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: LS

“Umm, honesty? For Fred to ONLY have a 19 point lead over a northeasterner in Georgia is pretty sad.”

Maybe you don’t understand the South very well. And it’s still an eight man field. 41% of the vote is scattered among the others and undecided. 39% to 20% is a huge lead, twice the support of Giuliani. Can you show us states where Giuliani doubles the support of the #2.

“So I keep asking, where will Fred get his delegates?”

People also need to start asking: Where will Rudy get his electoral votes in November of 2008 if he’s the nominee. The fantasy of all these blue states he’ll win is more likely to be a reality of all the close red states he stands to lose.


24 posted on 10/28/2007 7:40:33 AM PDT by Will88
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To: LS
"Umm, honesty? For Fred to ONLY have a 19 point lead over a northeasterner in Georgia is pretty sad."

Wow. That reminds me of a PBS global warming special this past spring where the very first sentence was, "The output of the sun is a constant." I knew I didn't need to watch further.

25 posted on 10/28/2007 7:41:00 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: LS
Good analysis, and you are right. The most overlooked polling is McCain's strength against Clinton in a number of states. He simply polls better than Giuliani and Thompson in Republican states.

A Giuliani/McCain or McCain/Giuliani ticket is a large possibility based on current scenarios.
29 posted on 10/28/2007 8:01:13 AM PDT by jonathanmo (So many phobes, so little time...)
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To: LS
because he'll have the very large delegate states of NY, CA, CT, NJ, PA, and FL, where Fred has no chance

CA isn't a winner-take-all state this time around. While Rudy polls well here, he won't take the whole pie. With 173 delegates, it is the big fish of super Tuesday. I also note you call CT (30), NJ (52), and PA (in April with 74) as telling states. There are several states with as many or more delegates than those. How do you see NV (34), AL (48), AK (29), AR (34), CO (46), GA (72), IL (70), etc.

It isn't such a lock for Guiliani on Feb. 5 as conventional wisdom would have it.

48 posted on 10/28/2007 7:18:34 PM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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