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Mike Huckabee and Ethics
U.S. News & World Report ^ | October 29, 2007 | Bonnie Erbe

Posted on 10/29/2007 1:10:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The mainstream media are focusing on former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's increasing popularity among Republican Iowa caucus-goers and his showing this past weekend at the annual Reagan Dinner in Iowa:

Three of the top-tier Republican presidential candidates—Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and John McCain—failed to show at the seventh annual Reagan Dinner in Iowa Saturday night, unwisely ceding the floor to the six remaining GOP hopefuls.

Mike Huckabee and Fred Thompson took advantage of the absences....

Rising in the Iowa polls, Huckabee used his time on the stage to assure the crowd against one of his biggest criticisms by some in this electorate: that he couldn't beat Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton in the general election.

But the more we learn about Huckabee, the more apparent it becomes that Clinton must be salivating at the prospect of facing him in the general election. Why?

Several stories are swirling around Huckabee that raise serious questions about his judgment and ethics. The first is Huckabee's personal Willie Horton story. Several years ago, for reasons that are still unclear, Huckabee intervened in the case of a convicted rapist named Wayne Dumond.

After Dumond made parole, he went on to rape again. The next time, he also murdered his victim. The Arkansas Times, a Little Rock alternative weekly, reports that the parole process was "marked by deviation from accepted parole practice and direct personal lobbying by the governor, in an apparently illegal and unrecorded closed-door meeting with the parole board."

Why Huckabee is not only still standing—but running strong—is also unclear. Other questions surrounding his tenure are even more puzzling. One is why earlier this year, as Huckabee was leaving office, he apparently ordered the destruction of more than 100 computers in the governor's office. More from the Arkansas Times:

As you'll remember, in early January 2007, as his tenure as governor ran out, Gov. Huckabee ordered his staff to electronically wipe and then crush the hard drives of almost 100 laptop and desktop computers in the governor's office (soon after taking office, incoming governor Mike Beebe had to allocate $335,000 from his operating fund to buy new hard drives and computers to replace those crushed by [Huckabee]). At the time, Huckabee said that the decision to crush the hard drives was made in order to protect the privacy of those who had personal information on the drives. Critics, however, recalled that early in Huckabee's term as governor, documents, e-mails and memos stored on hard drives just like the ones that were destroyed formed the basis of embarrassing stories about Huckabee, including a 1998 story in the Arkansas Times detailing how Huckabee and his family were using the $60,000-a-year Governor's Mansion fund as their personal piggy bank.

Destroying records? Misusing mansion funds? Helping a convicted rapist? Would Clinton still be a viable candidate if she faced such stories? Would Rudy Giuliani? Methinks not.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: arkansas; closetliberal; corruption; coverups; cronyism; election; electionpresident; elections; ethicsviolations; gop; graft; huckster; manfromhype; mansionscandal; mikehuckabee; parole; republicans; rino; scandal; taxhikemike; waynedumond; williehorton
Doesn't sound good, wonder if it'll grow legs?
1 posted on 10/29/2007 1:10:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Would Clinton still be a viable candidate if she faced such stories? Would Rudy Giuliani? Methinks not.

He - Yes, Him - No................

2 posted on 10/29/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He = HER.............damn cheap keyboards!.......


3 posted on 10/29/2007 1:14:37 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

She has had 10X more scandals that were 10X worse, but she gets a free pass. Of course, she is the presumptive democratic nominee, so nothing will stick to her. However, the MSM will use this information on Huckabe to beat us up...can we afford to risk it?


4 posted on 10/29/2007 1:16:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Curious, isn’t it, that this article blacks out the appearances of both Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo at this event? Hunter, who was voted in with Ronald Reagan, and who knew Ronald Reagan best, at that!

I understand the tape, which was not shown live so that it could be selectively cropped, will be appearing tonight on C-Span2 at 9PM EDT.


5 posted on 10/29/2007 1:17:07 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Finally the truth about Huckabee is coming out


6 posted on 10/29/2007 1:17:27 PM PDT by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: Red Badger

You were right the first time.


7 posted on 10/29/2007 1:19:09 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The cat is out of the bag on Huck, and the MSM is gathering ammo, ala Dan RaTHer for use in the general election against whoever the GOP puts up. They (MSM/Dems/liberals/socialists) never rest, they never give up and they don’t quit.............


8 posted on 10/29/2007 1:20:06 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Pistolshot

LOL!!!..............


9 posted on 10/29/2007 1:21:00 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Pistolshot

LOL!!!..............


10 posted on 10/29/2007 1:21:32 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Eric Blair 2084; Calpernia; AuntB

Interesting. His baggage is downright Arkansan sized.


11 posted on 10/29/2007 1:23:20 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Paperdoll
Curious, the article is about Huckabee, not any of the other candidates.

Or did you just wish it was about Duncan?

12 posted on 10/29/2007 1:24:18 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: Red Badger
Bookmark for later.

Please check the tagline, I could use some Freeper help!!
13 posted on 10/29/2007 1:24:50 PM PDT by FlashBack (Need Some FReep Help: Vote for Gene Hinders at www.racingjunk.com Oct.15-Nov.15 2007)
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To: Pistolshot

In event you missed it, it was also about the Reagan Dinner. Thompson and Huckabee were not the only candidates to speak there.

There will be far more to be revealed about Huckabubble.


14 posted on 10/29/2007 1:29:51 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Arkansas was the source of smear tactics against then Gov. Bush in both the primary and general elections. Looks like the machine is still up and running. At some point Huckabee may become a factor but at this stage I don’t really think he’s gonna gather that much steam. Super Tuesday will wipe most of the wannabes off the slate, imo. It’s possible that a couple will hang on like Keyes did in 2000.


15 posted on 10/29/2007 1:37:09 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 69 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Paperdoll

Huckleberry’s a full-blown big-government- should- dictate- your- life nanny statist for one thing.


16 posted on 10/29/2007 1:40:01 PM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("Vote Hillary - the unanimous choice of vacuous Liberal newsreaders!")
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To: Paperdoll
I know about the Reagan Dinner. The article was about Huckabee and mentioned the other only VIABLE candidate, Thompson.

The polls are defining who gets mentioned in these kind of articles. But I'm sure you believe it's some sinister CFR/Media/Globalist conspiracy.

17 posted on 10/29/2007 1:40:08 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh Lord, is this writer serious?

"Destroying records? Misusing mansion funds? Helping a convicted rapist? Would Clinton still be a viable candidate if she faced such stories? Would Rudy Giuliani? Methinks not."

Shethinks not??????? I'd say she's not thinking at all, not to acknowledge that the Clintons are viable candidates, and both of them...are guilty of exactly the same crimes, and worse.

18 posted on 10/29/2007 2:10:55 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Check out The American Spectator, who did all the digging on the Clintons, they have this piece on the Huckster’s questionable ethics by Quin Hillyer:

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205

After a reply from Huckabee for President on the article, Hillyer said:
“The fact remains that the Ethics Committee did indeed reprimand Huckabee on five separate counts. And for all the other allegations, I provided links to original source material. As for his fiscal record, I think the conservative Club for Growth’s reports critical of Huckabee speak for themselves.”


19 posted on 10/29/2007 2:40:22 PM PDT by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-national sovereignty, pro-strong national defense, PRO-troops)
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To: deport

Open borders Huck = DOA.


20 posted on 10/29/2007 2:52:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AuntB; pissant; OB1kNOb; Politicalmom; SoConPubbie; Esther Ruth; pandoraou812; gidget7; 383rr; ...

Retire the liberal tax raising, open border, algore loving, nanny state Huckster Ping

The liberal MSM must really think Social Conservatives are stupid. They keep pitching and pimping the Huckster hoping somebody will buy.

To be added please FReepmail me or OB1KNOB.

21 posted on 10/29/2007 3:09:47 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t care about crushing computer hard drives. Any sane politician would do the same in this current climate.

I do, however, care about the Dumond case. If the guy went on to rape and kill, and Huckabee personally intervened, then he demonstrated terrible judgment.

Nor do I favor illegal amnesty.

It is not Huckabee.

It is Hunter or Thompson. That is clear.


22 posted on 10/29/2007 3:51:29 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.


23 posted on 10/29/2007 4:45:33 PM PDT by Bob J (For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, there is one striking at its root)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Huckabee's son David got arrested at the airport for "forgetting" he had a Glock in his luggage. Well, maybe.

More seriously:
In 1998, Huckabee was among two boys fired from a Boy Scout camp after a stray dog was killed after wandering onto camp property. Huckabee, 17 at the time, said the dog appeared ill; no charges were filed. The elder Huckabee said then that politics was behind the dog-killing accusation.

The Morning News: News : Candidate’s Son Arrested With Gun At Arkansas Airport
Other reports indicate the dog was both hung and shot and may have been tortured.

I'd like to see more reporting on this.
24 posted on 10/29/2007 8:21:48 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: xzins
I don’t care about crushing computer hard drives. Any sane politician would do the same in this current climate.

I think destroying public property is a crime.

I also think Rudi and the Xlintons should be prosecuted for stealing and/or sequestering so many official records. Rudi has an entire warehouse full of NYC documents. And he testified in a closed hearing before the 9/11 Commission and his remarks were supposed to be sequestered until after November 2008. They've started to lead now but I don't see why that was allowed.
25 posted on 10/29/2007 8:24:45 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

Crime or not, a sane politician would destroy any drive of any computer on which he conducted busines, expressed thoughts, conversed with anyone, etc.

I would beg forgiveness and plead family personal business.


26 posted on 10/29/2007 8:27:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: xzins

You’ve kind of shocked me here.

Is it fine for the Xlintons to destroy records or government property? I don’t think so.

Maybe we’ll have to just disagree amicably.


27 posted on 10/29/2007 8:43:37 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe it's an Arkansas thing? Destroying computers on your way out of the office? Isn't that what the Clinton crew did to the Bush administration?

Thompson is the only true Conservative in this entire bunch. Wake up everyone! Can't you just invision Fred and Hillary on a stage together in any kind of a debate. My money is on Fred and he will nail her with class and truth!

28 posted on 10/29/2007 8:53:58 PM PDT by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN GRANDMA FREEPER, and a LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Details: Huckabee left computers, fund gutted

Source is a conservative newspaper, despite its name.
29 posted on 10/30/2007 2:07:59 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("Managers are people who leaders hire." - Fred Thompson)
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To: George W. Bush

There’s nothing shocking in regards to crushing hard drives. IMHO, they belong to whomever has been using them...and especially if personal business is permitted to be conducted on them. That is true of gov’t computers in my era of service. Therefore, they should be considered expendable, and especially if they are replaceable, which these are.

If the gov’t give me a notebook and a pad of paper, is all the work I do with that to be saved and turned over to “someone” when I leave?

Anyone crushing a hard drive has my full sympathy....especially a politician. The climate today is vicious and the intent is to destroy one another. A politician would be insane to leave such data for an enemy.


30 posted on 10/30/2007 4:11:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: xzins
There’s nothing shocking in regards to crushing hard drives. IMHO, they belong to whomever has been using them...and especially if personal business is permitted to be conducted on them. That is true of gov’t computers in my era of service. Therefore, they should be considered expendable, and especially if they are replaceable, which these are.

So military researchers can destroy their papers and computers? How about intel employees? Or just your ordinary grifter in government service, seeking to conceal his crimes?

Of course, there is an underlying issue here, of property rights. Who owns the records and the data?

I find your opinions most unexpected. If the gov’t give me a notebook and a pad of paper, is all the work I do with that to be saved and turned over to “someone” when I leave?

If you compiled records relating to your official duties, of course. In many government jobs, that is what the job is for, to collect and sift and categorize and store information. If the information is destroyed, you may as well never even worked for them. Well, except for getting a paycheck from them.

Every post you make on this surprises me more. How do you transform public property (hard drives, computers, etc.) into private property so easily?
31 posted on 10/30/2007 5:47:22 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

Hard drives cannot truly be erased.

The gov’t permits personal usage, AND personal reflections come out even in job-realted usage.

More importantly, though, is the climate of attack and destroy. A politician would be totally out of his mind to permit access to his files to his enemies.

Imho, Richard Nixon was foolish not to destroy the tapes. Totally foolish.


32 posted on 10/30/2007 5:54:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: xzins
I'm not so big on letting government employees, elected or hired, destroy public property. If they're so concerned, maybe they shouldn't do those things to begin with. And government employees should never be allowed to use their computers for personal use. Those machines should be for their work only.

We just aren't going to agree, it seems. I think property rights mean something. You seem to think that if some politician makes private use of a government computer, he has the right to destroy it and all the information on it, effectively, that he owns it by having made personal use of it. I simply will never agree to that idea.
33 posted on 10/30/2007 6:53:31 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Emphasis:

>>>As you’ll remember, in early January 2007, as his tenure as governor ran out, Gov. Huckabee ordered his staff to electronically wipe and then crush the hard drives of almost 100 laptop and desktop computers in the governor’s office (soon after taking office, incoming governor Mike Beebe had to allocate $335,000 from his operating fund to buy new hard drives and computers to replace those crushed by [Huckabee]). At the time, Huckabee said that the decision to crush the hard drives was made in order to protect the privacy of those who had personal information on the drives. Critics, however, recalled that early in Huckabee’s term as governor, documents, e-mails and memos stored on hard drives just like the ones that were destroyed formed the basis of embarrassing stories about Huckabee, including a 1998 story in the Arkansas Times detailing how Huckabee and his family were using the $60,000-a-year Governor’s Mansion fund as their personal piggy bank.<<<


34 posted on 10/30/2007 6:57:56 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: xzins

>>>If the gov’t give me a notebook and a pad of paper, is all the work I do with that to be saved and turned over to “someone” when I leave?

I can’t speak for the government. Never worked for them. But the companies I worked for, yes, that notebook, work content and paper was property of the company. I had to sign legal papers expressing my understanding of that. And if I destroyed any, I could be held liable.


35 posted on 10/30/2007 7:07:39 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia; George W. Bush

Falls under the heading of “forgiveness instead of permission.”


36 posted on 10/30/2007 7:23:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: xzins; Calpernia
Falls under the heading of “forgiveness instead of permission.”

Not sure what that means exactly. But I stand by property rights.

People who are so concerned with privacy should use their own cellphones/Blackberries/laptops and not make personal use of a government permission.

Can't you see how much fraud could be perpetrated, tracks covered by corrupt government employees, criminal behavior by elected or appointed officials covered up?

Maybe you'll understand better if Hitlery gets elected.

I guess that you are kind of a Sandy Burglar Republican. So many of those documents that he smuggled out of the Archive could be called "personal". It's only a difference in degree, not of kind, in what you're saying here.

Calpernia is correct about the assertion of property rights in the private sector. I'm not sure why any politician should enjoy immunity from the record of what they have done in office including their personal use of public property. Let alone the destruction of public property in order to conceal their personal uses of it.
37 posted on 10/30/2007 9:06:51 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush

I know you don’t like what I’m saying, and I think Berger was wrong to enter a gov’t office and steal classified documents.

However, if Berger had taken his own hard drive at the end of his tour of duty, I would have considered that to be a different thing.

The gov’t DOES permit personal work on its computers, it does permit personal emails, and it does permit personal notes/memos/etc.

There’s no way I’d leave that stuff behind, and since hard drives cannot ever truly be erased, then I’d take it with me, IF I were in a political position and subject to political witchhunts.

These guys don’t play for points. They try to ruin you and lock you up.


38 posted on 10/30/2007 9:15:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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