Posted on 11/03/2007 10:34:50 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Rudy Giuliani holds a five-point edge in the national race for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in the United States, according to a poll by Harris Interactive. 31 per cent of respondents would vote for the former New York City mayor in a 2008 primary.
Actor and former Tennessee senator Fred Thompson is second with 26 per cent, followed by former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with 17 per cent, and Arizona senator John McCain with 12 per cent. Support is lower for former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Texas congressman Ron Paul, California congressman Duncan Hunter,
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Mitt Romney opposed gay marriage from the get-go, ever since the Mass. supreme court dictated it in their Nov 2003 ruling, and wanted the Mass. lege to allow him to get a ‘stay’ on the decision from the Mass Supreme Court. The legislature refused. Then Romney led a fight to get a constitutional amendment. However, the new Governor and other Democrat leaders this year cut the legs from under that.
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/view.bg?articleid=1036013
MA Gov. Romney chides Legislature on gay marriage
Boston Globe, April 24, 2004
By Raphael Lewis, Globe Staff
Governor Mitt Romney suggested yesterday that the Legislature’s proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage is merely a facade, because lawmakers refuse to allow him to go before the state’s high court and seek a stay of the landmark Nov. 18 ruling that legalized same-sex matrimony.
Although lawmakers passed the amendment last month, it must be passed again in the next legislative session and win approval at the ballot box in the November 2006 general election before it can become law.
That means that gay marriage will be legal in this state for at least the next 2 1/2 years.
“I’m wondering whether the first step they took, which was to pass an amendment, was a facade or was it a real effort to limit marriage to a relationship between man and a woman,” Romney said. “If it is a real effort with real intent, then the Legislature will give me the occasion to reach the Supreme Court and ask for a stay. Otherwise, we will have same-sex marriage in Massachusetts without a decision of the people.”
Romney ratcheted up his rhetoric a day after the Senate, under the leadership of President Robert E. Travaglini, refused to consider an emergency bill the governor filed earlier this month seeking special power to go before the Supreme Judicial Court to seek a stay of its ruling before it goes into effect on May 17.
When Romney filed his bill, the House speaker, Thomas M. Finneran, pledged to hold a hearing on the bill and invited Romney to testify on the measure.
Romney singled out the Senate yesterday in his attack on the Legislature: “I again call on both branches of the Legislature, in particular, the Senate. I believe the House is moving on that front.”
Yesterday, a spokeswoman for Travaglini, Ann Dufresne, said the Senate has no intention of looking back, despite Romney’s attempt to portray the Senate as insincere in its effort to outlaw gay marriage.
Sorry you were out of the loop on Mitt being "Pro Life", seeing as you were in his home state and not part of the "out-of-town" audience and all.
But wow!
You got to see "Pro Choice" Mitt up close and personal for a few years there...
There is one possibility that few people are looking at these days, with all the hype about Hillary and Osama, er Obama. That is the very real and extremely likely possibility that John Edwards is going to win the nomination. Remember, all Presidents so far have been white men, and I wouldn't bet on that changing any time son. We are wasting a lot of time trying to pre-defeat Hillary, when it will be done by the Democrats anyway. So we nominate Rudy, because he has the best chance to defeat someone who won't be running anyway.
I admitted to nothing. The fact that you really think I did says to me that you may actually be on the level and just too dense to actually see that Romney is duping you.
I don't give a rat's donkey about mormons or who's worships who (unless it's muslim, but that's another topic). I don't hate Mitt. Frankly, it takes more energy than I'm willing to put into a flip-flopping waste of space like Mitt Romney to hate the guy. I don't like him though. His mormonism isn't the reason. His liberalism is.
Who said we were supposed to trust Huckabee? Put that strawman back in the closet. I don't trust Huckabee any further than I could have thrown him before he lost all that weight.
thus far he’s running the best campaign of the 8 remaining contenders; he is running on the Reaganesque themes of smaller Government...
Don't you see that none of this matters? He's run on exactly the opposite in the past. He'll say ANYTHING to get elected. It doesn't matter what a man like that is 'running on'.
I never thought I'd see the same kind of blind following of a guy who's obviously FOS on FR. It reminds me of the people who voted for Bill Clinton, knowing that he was lying to their face. They didn't care, because they were blinded by their own cynicism and desire to win at all costs. In this case, it's more a case of being blinded by fear and your own defeatism.
Mitt Romney isn't running on a 'Reaganesque' anything. He's not running on a platform of conservatism. He's running on a platform of Republicanism. He embodies everything that is wrong with not only the Republican party, but politics in general.
If you want to twist that into some fantasy of anti-mormon bigotry, be my guest. Just be aware that your little victim game won't convince anyone. It's just as easy to see through as Mitt's 'leads' in IA and NH. All one has to do is look.
“My point isn’t that it’s worthless, it’s that it takes so little to manipulate it.”
How much money do you think you need to manipulate it? I dont think you’ve calculated it right at all. It’s bigger than you think.
It was a better predictor and harder to mess with prior to them stopping taking US credit cards. I wouldn’t trust it now if it had Fred at 50.
The ‘pro-choice’ Mitt was a half-hearted one ... who once in office vetoed bills to loosen abortion restrictions and vetoed embryo-killin stem cell research, ie, his real decisions as Governor pulled him over to the pro-life side.
“I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice.” (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01)
“”On a personal basis, I don’t favor abortion,” he said. “However, as governor of the commonwealth, I will protect a woman’s right to choose under the laws of the country and the commonwealth. That’s the same position I’ve had for many years.”
Source: Erik Arvidson, Lowell Sun Mar 20, 2002
‘’While I’ve said time and again that I oppose abortion, I’ve also indicated that I would not change in any way the abortion laws of Massachusetts, and I’ve honored my promises,” Romney, 2005.
Q: What is the defining mistake of your life and why?
A: Probably from a political standpoint and a personal standpoint, the greatest mistake was when I first ran for office, being deeply opposed to abortion but saying, “I support the current law,” which was pro-choice and effectively a pro-choice position. That was just wrong. And when I became a governor and faced a life-and-death decision as a governor, I came down on the side of life. That was a mistake before that.
Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mitt_Romney_Abortion.htm
“In considering the issue of embryo cloning and embryo farming, I saw where the harsh logic of abortion can lead—to the view of innocent new life as nothing more than research material or a commodity to be exploited.” -Gov Mitt Romney, Associated Press, Jul 27, 2005
“I am pro-life,” Romney told me pointedly. He went on to explain how his campaigns have provided fodder for his 2008 opponents. “In my 1994 debate with Senator Kennedy he said that I was ‘multiple choice’ for which he got a good laugh because I would not say I was pro-choice. I said what I would do if I were elected senator, the same thing I said when I was running for governor. As governor, I indicated that I would not change the law as it related to abortion. I would keep it the same. I have had roughly four provisions that have reached my desk which would have changed the laws as they relate to abortion, all of which would have expanded abortion rights. I vetoed each of those. My record as governor has been very clearly a pro-life record.”
Source: A Mormon in the White House?, by Hugh Hewitt, p.110 Mar 12, 2007
Q: Your aides say you see ending abortion as a two-step process: rolling back Roe v. Wade, which would leave it legal in some states; and then a constitutional amendment to ban it nationwide. If abortion is murder, how can you live with it being legal in some states?
A: I’d love to have an America that didn’t have abortion. But that’s not what the American people [want] right now. And so I’d like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and allow the states to put in place pro-life legislation. I recognize that for many people, that is considered an act of murder, to have an abortion. It is without question the taking of a human life. And I believe that a civilized society must respect the sanctity of the human life. But we have two lives involved here—a mom, an unborn child. We have to have concern for both lives & show the expression of our compassion & our consideration and work to change hearts & minds, and that’s the way in my view we’ll ultimately have a society without abortion.
Source: 2007 GOP debate at UNH, sponsored by Fox News Sep 5, 2007
Well, you’ve bought Slick Willard’s game, hook, line, and sinker. Impressive.
I have some great waterfront property in Florida to sell you. I’ll make you a great deal on it.
Well half hearted is not quite enough when it comes to the life of the innocent...
“Our blind and searing hatred for Mitt is what drives us. “
Is what you said.
“I admitted to nothing.” Not correct. You acknowledged hatred.
“I don’t hate Mitt. “ Ok, so now you are flip-flopping. One minute you have blind and searing hatred for Mitt, next minute you dont have any. LOL.
But I dont want to quibble. When I mentioned the anti-mormonism, I wasnt referring to you specifically, but one of several general motivations for the Mitt-bashers generally.
You are entitled to your opinion of Mitt Romney. I am entitled to mine.
The claim that he’s a liberal doesn’t wash; it’s trying to make mountains out of molehills. Club for Growth didnt pan Romney like they did Huckster or McCain or some other candidates. He did okay as fiscal conservative by their lights. I dont see any liberalism in someone who runs Bain Capital brilliantly, who saves the Olympics, who have home-grown family values, and who fights the good fight as governor of Massachusetts. On the personal level, he is the most geniune and real person running. Maybe he’s real ambitious as part of it, but so are Rudy and Hillary and you’ll need some fire in the belly to stand up to them.
It’s funny how people think he’s the phony, and these lawyer-lobbyist types (Rudy, Fred, John Edwards, Obama) are the real thing, despite his career in the real world making real decisions, building real businesses and achieving real accomplishments like turing around the SLC olympics.
“He’s run on exactly the opposite in the past. “
That’s garbage, that’s a mythical Mitt Romney that doesnt exist.
Get to know the real family-values moderately conservative energetic businessman Mitt Romney, the one who might hedge and pander here and there but who is on the level and seriously lives up to the commitments he makes, and you’d be at peace with yourself. I never said he was perfect conservative-wise(*) but bashing him as a bigtime liberal is utter nonsense.
“If you want to twist that into some fantasy of anti-mormon bigotry,” - only those who start ranting about Joe Smith and ‘cults’ are in that category. You’re not in that group.
(*) I’ve said for some time that Mitt Romney as president will be a smarter, more articulate and slightly more conservative on fiscal issues and immigration version of George W. Bush.
“Well half hearted is not quite enough when it comes to the life of the innocent...”
I agree, his squishy pro-choice views were wrong. So does Romney apparently, since he acknowledges the shift and says that his previous “personal prolife, effectively pro-choice” position was wrong. I included the quote where he cited it as his biggest mistake.
Well he sure did continue to make that mistake for a long time.
So Romney stood by, and let Fred get up to 35%, and then chipped away, and got Fred down to 7.7%, while patiently waiting to get his own price up to 28.5%? And he did the same at Iowa Electronic Markets, and among oddsmakers for months?
If Fred is really valued higher, (like at Romney's 28.5%), and Romney has unloaded Fred at 7.7%, why you purchase a ton of Fred at 7.7% and it will be like Romney is handing you money!
Go ahead, put your chips on Fred, you're going to be rich, and it will be real, not monopoly money.
But you won't, because you are just posting blather about the manipulated markets, and you reckon Fred's 7.7% nomination chances are just about right.
Mitt Romney in his real life has been pro-life and pro-traditional family: he is still with wife #1 and he has 5 kids and 10 grandkids. he’s been that way a long time, his whole life.
He’s not a social liberal like Rudy is.
“Even leaving aside the Giuliani record in New York (where his judicial appointees were mostly Democrats), the more Democratic Senate likely to emerge after 2008 is a poor bet to confirm a Scalia or Alito even should a Republican president nominate one. No matter how you slice it, the Giuliani positions on abortion, gay rights and gun control remain indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton’s.” -
I’ll grant he is not liberal like Rudy...
I don't know if that's true or not, and Wide-Stance Willard has denied it, but he seems to be truth challenged, and the MittWitts have no problem repeating lies about Fred, so let's run with it!
You're correct about that. Rudy has been somewhat consistent, while Wide-Stance Willard has taken every position imaginable at least once, usually several times, depending on how politically convenient it happens to be. Nothing disgusts me more than pandering. It insults my intelligence. I will not support or vote for this flip-flopping phony RINO fraud under any circumstances.
I have no idea what romney did, and I don’t care.
I don’t care who has what value on intrade. It’s a game, played with monoply money, for entertainment purposes, and only used by those who who have nothing else to use to point to their candidates success in the campaign.
If FRed were at 99.9 on intrade, I wouldn’t give a rat’s petutie, IT. MEANS. NOTHING.
Why don’t you cash in all you have, and put it on sybil...since you believe so strongly in his lies.
Or have you, and that’s why your RINO is so up right now?
Boston Globe 11/2/2006
* In the 2006 elections, most offices were not even challenged by Republican candidates. In the November general election for the six statewide Massachusetts constitutional offices there were more Green-Rainbow Party candidates on the ballot than Republicans!
The party’s slide has been so precipitous that Republicans yesterday did not contest 130 of 200 legislative seats, fielded a challenger in only three of 10 congressional districts, and put up fewer candidates for statewide office (three) than the Green-Rainbow Party (four).
- Boston Globe, 11/8/2006
* In 2006, while Romney was chairman of the National Republican Governors Association - a group dedicated to electing more Republican governors - his own hand-picked Republican successor as governor lost badly to the Democrat, despite the fact that Republicans have held the governorship in Massachusetts since 1990. Romney largely ignored the Massachusetts elections and spent most of the time during the campaign out of state building his presidential campaign. He came back and publicly campaigned for the Republican candidate the day before the general election!
Oh, what a great Conservative he is...
As someone who constantly plays the LDS card and screams victimhood, neither is your support for Mitt Rino.
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