Posted on 11/04/2007 4:47:50 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
“Romney is already seeing his supporters moving to Huckabee”
Once again the FredHeads hold the polling charts upside-down.
Romney’s stayed at #1 in IA and NH.
Huckster’s boomlet is fading (which is good news for Fred, cause he’s the next stopover for those voters).
Fuhgeddaboutit. I hope both Precious Willard and Huckster each drive a stake through their unholy RINO hearts.
I hope so. It sounds like wishful thinking FRiend.
Come on DJ, you are politically savvy; it’s unbecoming to see someone with so much knowledge trick himself. Fred hasn’t led Rudy in at least close to a month, we know that. RCP has him about 10 points down on avg (I think). Fred has been in DC since WG, but he does not have the portfolio or hands-on that McCain does. Mc has 20 years in the Senate, 4 in the House, and 3 as a congressional Naval liason. Mc also has 22 years as a Naval officer and he commanded the largest squadron. I have been for McCain for a while; there are some around - they just mostly keep quiet. I’m not for Rudy, Romney would be backup, Fred might be nice but I am having trouble seeing him pull this out.
Fred is not weak on experience but 8 years in the Senate will be nearly the same as Hillary. And you know she will say first lady (not that it mattes). It’s hard for Fred to out-do her in the experience dep’t unless he falls back to promoting he was a political lawyer, and that has downsides.
But let’s not argue.
This seat looks close to impossible to hold. I hate to say it but most of these races get down to a personality/popularity contest. Gilmore was quite lacking in the POTUS race. I haven’t heard Warner speak but I get the feeling he’s comes off well.
The successful Presidents, both Roosevelts, Reagan, and several in the ninteenth century had all been Governors. The notable exception to this concept is, of course, Jimmy Carter. Although a Governor (GA) he seems to be the single most discreditable President we've ever had. I blame him for the advent of all this Islamic rage. Surely the world would have been a better place had he simply not run, or, better yet, lost.
Your case could be contested.
F.Roosevelt, the man who dragged out the Great Depression for nearly 10 years, a successful president?
T.Roosevelt a successful president but I doubt it was because he had a whopping 2 years as governor under his belt. He spent far more time as a legislator.
By this argument Clinton, a governor of 12 years, should be a whopping success with all that experience. He wasn’t. Bush Sr. was a better president. Look how he managed the complexities of the Gulf War and the coalition; slick could’ve never done that.
Andrew Johnson was not a modern president, so it’s hard to compare. It could be argued whether Truman was an effective president.
One more thought: while it is nice to have executive experience, it is also nice to have foriegn policy experience which governors rarely have.
Me, no, personally I think it has to do more with Senator’s voting records hurting them in the primaries. A legislator can only take credit for what he has written and voted for. Governors (and mayors) take credit for stuff they didn’t push a pencil for all the time. It’s easy to do that with all the stuff going on in a state. There’s nothing to arbitrarily take credit for from inside a senate office unless you’ve done it yourself.
..and plus the Car Tax only really went away for about a year or so. It’s now back in full-force, along with all the other fees that Gilmore imposed (but haven’t gone away) to make up for his car tax holiday.
Marylanders didn't realize how good they had it under Ehrlich...
Lets just get Ralph Stanley to run.
I still am appaled at a complete campaign run on “no car tax” right before tax season. Thats pretty shallow with the many “real” issues which needed attention at that time. I will support Gilmore but I think it’s Warner’s to lose.
Historically, a governor's disastrous liberal performance in his state is forgotten on the national level once he runs for president. The good people of the US voted Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton into the White House though Republicans nm back in their home states might have warned them that the past predicts the future. I wish that a bad track record of liberalism back home precluded getting elected to the presidency, but it doesn't.
Marylanders didn't realize how good they had it under Ehrlich...
Truer words were never spoken. Maryland is full of idiots. That was a heartbreaking loss.
I think Gillmore will keep it closer than the pundits are predicting.
“I hope so. It sounds like wishful thinking FRiend.”
NO more so than the McCain/Fred/Hunter/Huckabee wishful thoughts. They cant all be right, and odds tell us more than 75% chance nominee will be Rudy or Romney.
Fact is Warner is a Liberal Democrat. He is a Liberal Democrat who is no better than Al Gore or John Edwards or any of the other phony ponies. If VA is going that way, might as well write off the whole country. ... but I dont think so.
ROmney is running ads - EXPERIENCE COUNTS - that could be devastating to Hillary. Romney even took to saying that we cant have another ‘intern’ in the WH. LOL. Rudy and McCain have leadership ‘props’ too.
Fred can’t really run those ads.
Fred can run as your favorite uncle vs Hillary your worst mother-in-law. Well, convinces me for sure but that wont quite hit home with the women voters who will get brainwashed into thinking by the MSM that its ‘time’ for a woman.
Only a strong campaign on leadership and experience can convince those security Moms that Hillary is a mistake.
I think Hillary is vulnerable and can beaten by any of Rudy, Romney, McCain and Thompson, but on the experience/leadership point, Thompson will have the hardest sell. JMHO, YMMV.
You ‘time for a woman’ comment reminds me of something else.
One problem we may have in staving of female defections to HRC is that three of our four top guys generally underperform with women. McCain is the only one who polls consistently even among men and women.
The ‘intern’ thing was great, I agree!
We’ll have to be sure we hit him hard. O’Malley’s performance in Baltimore was not nearly as good as the rhetoric cranked from the city sunpaper.
I'm not backing Fred simply because he's from my state (indeed, it was Frist who was talking about making a run, not Fred -- and I would NOT have backed Frist because he was close to incompetent as a Senate leader. He is an excellent surgeon and was great as a backbencher, but not as a leader), I'm backing him because I believe him to have the best leadership skills, ideological suitability and character to run. He's also the only person in many years who was DRAFTED by the people to run. Not by his own egomania, which is the case with virtually every other candidate. That's simply remarkable, and cannot be dismissed.
"Fred hasn’t led Rudy in at least close to a month, we know that. RCP has him about 10 points down on avg (I think)."
We've seen conflicting data all over the place. I still stand on what I said, though.
"Fred has been in DC since WG, but he does not have the portfolio or hands-on that McCain does. Mc has 20 years in the Senate, 4 in the House, and 3 as a congressional Naval liason. Mc also has 22 years as a Naval officer and he commanded the largest squadron. I have been for McCain for a while; there are some around - they just mostly keep quiet."
McCain will also be older than Reagan was when he was first elected, he's had cancer problems, he spent time in a prison camp that compounds his problems, both physical and psychological. Electing a man at that age to the Presidency is taking a serious risk -- Even if he didn't have health problems. My grandfather was the same age as McCain would be in his first year in office (73), and he was an OLD man. I can't imagine having elected him to anything at that age. He has a host of other issues that make him a risk (even if he were 10 or 20 years younger). I do NOT consider him a loyal Republican or loyal Conservative. He's one of the biggest loose cannons in DC, and that's not a good thing (there are positive mavericks and destructive mavericks -- a good maverick is Dr. Coburn, but McCain is a bad maverick). He is a media suck-up, which is also bad. Frankly, when I witnessed what he personally "had no problem with" in the 2000 primaries, that was my final straw with him. He knew amongst legitimate Republican voters, he couldn't win the primary vote, so he had rodents playing games with our primary in MI steal the vote on his behalf, bussing in thousands of Black Detroiters that had no intention of voting Republican in the general. That, sir, was fraud. Dirty fraud. I have zero respect for the man. He needs to retire from public office.
"I’m not for Rudy, Romney would be backup, Fred might be nice but I am having trouble seeing him pull this out."
Fred's the only one now who can pull it out. You always have to watch who the media prefers as a GOP nominee. Their aversion to Fred proves that he is the best of the bunch from that standpoint. They'd love to have Rudy McRomneybee as the nominee, as it would be a cinch to destroy them after their nomination. I know their tricks.
"Fred is not weak on experience but 8 years in the Senate will be nearly the same as Hillary. And you know she will say first lady (not that it mattes). It’s hard for Fred to out-do her in the experience dep’t unless he falls back to promoting he was a political lawyer, and that has downsides."
Fred's been rooting out corruption all his adult life. He brought down a profoundly crooked rodent Governor in my state, played a substantial role in the Watergate situation, and was well on his way in the Chinagate affair (until united rodent Senate opposition stopped him). Hillary is the epitome of corruption with more skeletons in her closet than in the average cemetery. Therein lies the difference. McCain couldn't beat Hillary, he'd be too busy kissing her ass.
He meant Lyndon Johnson, not Andrew Johnson. Andrew Johnson had been both Governor and Senator from TN.
I hope we can take out O’Malley in 2010. If Hillary is President, it’ll probably be easier. A bit harder if Fred is.
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