Posted on 11/05/2007 10:05:28 AM PST by neverdem
November 4, 2007
An Oct. 26 letter writer suggested limiting the Second Amendment to 18th-century firearms. What an interesting idea.
I'm sure she would also be in favor of limiting free speech to 18th-century forms of communication, and she certainly must oppose the requirement for agents of the government to obtain warrants in order to listen in on telephone conversations or intercept other forms of electronic correspondence.
After all, the telegraph was not invented until the 1840s, more than 50 years after the Fourth Amendment was written.
Certainly, our Founding Fathers wouldn't be so "daft," as the writer suggests, to have given us the First and Fourth Amendments if they could have foreseen the advent of the World Wide Web and the BlackBerry.
Our Founding Fathers, however, were not daft. They had experienced life under an oppressive government and they understood quite well that in order for a people to be truly free, they need a variety of protections, including free speech, the ability to redress grievances (I'd like to ask our founding fathers about McCain-Feingold), freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, and the ability to defend themselves against tyrants, both foreign and domestic.
Why not have one standard of interpretation for the entire Bill of Rights? Additionally, let's not be in such a hurry to give up our rights, even those we may not be particularly interested in exercising.
As Benjamin Franklin so eloquently said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
CARL KOCHERSBERGER
Kinderhook
OK, I laughed when another Freeper told me the left was making this argument. I guess I was wrong to laugh.
Well said Carl.
TMTC is an abbreeviation from microbiology meaning Too Many To Count when viewing microorganisms under a microscope. I've heard the argument that the Founding Fathers would never have considered the Second Amendment in the context of modern firearms TMTC.
How many of these morons fail to grasp that the LC expedition was packing a rifle that had a 20+ round capability and those lead balls coming out of said rifle had ballistics similar to a .45ACP round??
Yes buy a gun grabbers own terms, Lewis and Clarke had an assault rifle!
If that was the case, free speech would be limited to 18th century printing presses...
Below is from George Washington’s Farewell Address!
Warns against the party system.
“It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....
agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....
against another....
it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...
thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”
Stresses the importance of religion and morality.
“Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths,
which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?”
On stable public credit.
“...cherish public credit.
One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible...
avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt....
it is essential that you...bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue,
that to have Revenue there must be taxes;
that no taxes can be devised, which are not...inconvenient and unpleasant...”
Warns against permanent foreign alliances.
“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world...”
http://www.beemans.net/lewis%20assault%20rifle.htm
The above URL is, New Evidence Points to the Lewis and Clark Air Rifle – an “Assault Rifle” of 1803.
Exactly...
I actually live 20 minutes from a couple towns named for these guys, Lewiston Idaho, & Clarkston WA... my FFL dealers are there ... LOL
She must’ve been the typical idiot commie female from around my town.
http://www.horstheld.com/default.htm
Antique Handguns Horst Held
interested in collectible small arms: derringer, pistol, revolver, engraved, cased, odd system,
early self-loading = semi-automatic,
self-employed since 1965
Have you seen my favorite handgun porn site.
I drool over some of them.
Nice, the oldest I had was a .22 breakdown lever rifle made in 1905, unfortunately it stayed in Canada when I moved to the USA, it was given to a collector.
Any limb wound was an amputation, with a 50-50 chance of survival. Any torso wound that didn't kill immediately meant slow, lingering, agonizing death.
And there were even "high capacity assault weapons" back then, such as this blunderbuss, which could launch dozens of lead balls or rusty nails with one pull of the trigger.
Note the flared muzzle, for faster reloading.
I, for one, don't believe it is a living document but a document that was written with specific aims and insights into the workings of government and tyrants in particular. I believe in the 2nd amendment and I refuse to let a bunch of left wing idiots deprive me of my God given rights.
They double standard when it comes to the constitution is typical of all communists thinking. Freedom of speech until it interferes with their ideas, freedom of the press as long as it is their press, freedom to own a firearm as long as it is for them and not the masses.
Wonderful people these socialists./Sar
Old ways are good ways......the socialist seditious crap passing for intellect these days in the forms of polidiots, teachers , community leaders and presstitutes would not like the “old ways” of the old days ..........:o)
We go back .....we go back all the way. Where did I put that rope .......
Stay safe !
I hear those musket balls ranged from .50 to .75 calibre. Weapons of choice of terrorists, or so I’m told.
Two little Howdah pistol’s loaded with humane buckshot will be my chl rig when they pass this new and improved law......:o)
http://www.kapszli.hu/image/forum/16548_1.jpg
Agree......if I could have one custom made perfect replica of older firearms it would be a pristine clone of a Lemat......2 of those on a cavalryman’s belt and 2 or more on the pommels of his saddle just held a heck of a lot of firepower for that era and it was just one very neat firearm IMHO......
Great site BTW.....Thanks for sharing !!
Stay safe !
As far as ‘old ways’ go, I wonder what they would think of their neighbors having a couple of 6 pounders loaded with grape shot emplaced around their blockhouse, and a swivel gun or two mounted on their sport-utility buggy?
That was my first thought as well.....started to comment as to a 12 pounder with grape shot........:o)
Good points !.......LOL !
Stay safe !
http://www.navyarms.com/html/le_mat_rev.html
NAVY Arms have 3 versions of the LeMat
ARMY MODEL LE MAT®
Features knurled pin barrel release and cross pin barrel selector.
Mod. No. LMT100 - $895.00
NAVY MODEL LE MAT®
Features knurled pin barrel release and spur barrel selector.
Mod. No. LMT101 - $895.00
CAVALRY MODEL LE MAT®
General J.E.B. Stuart’s sidearm. Features a lanyard ring, spur trigger guard, lever type barrel release and cross pin barrel selector.
Mod. No. LMT102 - $895.00
The Eliot Spitzer Show It's too bad NY doesn't have the option to recall.
A Watershed Moment on Immigration
The 'Torture' Fraud of the Left If you only read one of these links, read this one, preferably at the source, because it has links.
From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.
Gonna go peek at em........ I recently bought a bisley from US patent firearms. It is very well made and a joy too shoot !
Thanks !
The Le Mat® was probably the most romantic revolver ever manufactured. Conceived by the fertile minds of a French seafarer and a brilliant military man, Colonel Le Mat and General Beauregard worked together to perfect the ultimate military sidearm. It was a favorite of Cavalry General J.E.B. Stuart, as well as many Confederate Naval and Infantry officers. The first models were made by John Krider, a Philadelphia gunsmith. But due to the war, production was set up as a cottage industry in and around Paris where the guns were produced for the Confederate States. The revolvers were then sent to England where they were proofed and shipped on to Bermuda where they were run through the blockade to the Confederacy. This nine shot .44 caliber revolver with a central single shot barrel of approximately .65 caliber gave the Confederate serviceman a considerable edge over his adversary. The most awesome hand held firing weapon ever produced
General J.E.B. Stuarts is the one ........are navy arms well made copies ?
marked
Still my favorite.....44WCF, 5 inch barrel.
http://www.usfirearms.com/highres/bisley_la.jpg
Stay safe !
I don't have to. Every one to a man would condemn it as foul sedition.
It shot .45 ACP rounds and had 2 half moon clips to hold the rounds.
No idea of brand or where it is located.
Sounds like old 1917 Colt........I have one. Great little plinkers !
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20americaine/colt/colt%201917%20cal%2045-01.jpg
Hooray Carl Kochersberger!
BUMP!!!
Great letter.
Damn straight.
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Some laws do not deserve to be followed .
Nice catch!
It’s not a “living document”, it’s an enduring document. More properly, it’s a contract. Leftists don’t believe in language as such, in that words don’t really mean anything, or at best, mean whatever they want them to mean. That’s why they go to great lengths to control the means of debate, define the terms. Because whoever gets to define the terms of a debate always wins.
It’s always great fun to ask one of the most learned professors who claim that words don’t really mean anything, if they feel the same way about “pension plan” and “tenure”.
Guns are just an excuse. It isn’t really about guns. The ultimate objective after they get the guns is to take your property, including money since money and property are instruments of power as are guns. The collectivist mindset is to enable a dictatorship of the unprivileged communist few over the masses. They believe in gun control for society, but I am quite sure that the thugs of their secret police once they take over will not be limited in their instruments of death or torture.
Didn’t I read somewhere that ‘our rights include but are not limited to those enumerated in the Bill of Rights?’
Spectacular! Thanks neverdem!
Ironic that the same liberals who are so opposed to a standing army should take away the ability of ordinary citizens to resist military rule. They want a military just big enough to oppress the people.
This is said in sarcasm, but it's no joke. It seems that each time a new method of communication is invented, the struggle for freedom takes place all over again. In the case of the Internet, as we should all be aware, the struggle is ongoing, and the final outcome not at all certain.
Spot on, Well said.
They've been doing it since at least the run up to the '94 Assault weapons ban. Not to mention the '68 gun control act, and for the matter the 1934 National Firearms Act, which after all effectively banned, by heavy taxation and regulation, an entire class of firearms, which are still taxed and regulated to this day. Try that with a modern high speed printing press, and you'll find yourself slapped down by the Supreme Court almost before you can turn around. They won't require someone to violate such a law before doing it either.
Thanks for the ping!
Blunderbuss - multiple projectiles, fired with one pull of the trigger, spread over a broad area - common use 1600s
Girandoni Rifle - 20-round semi-automatic .50 caliber, equivalent to modern .45ACP, used by Lewis & Clark - invented 1779
Stoner AR15 - 20-round fully-automatic .223 caliber - officially an antique "relic" having been invented 50 years ago (1957)
Thanks for the pics!
The Clintons' relationship with the Chinese makes this one particularly poignant.
Some 19th Europeans `dueled’ with flint-lock pistols loaded
with a pellet the size of a BB and a very light powder load.
But hey, they could break the skin and cause an infection!
We dueled with shotguns and knives as long as sabers.
Can I mount 20+ cannons on my pontoon boat?
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