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RON PAUL ON DEFENSE SPENDING
The Ron Paul Survival Report | October 15, 1993 | Ron Paul

Posted on 11/09/2007 11:40:58 AM PST by LSUfan

Ron Paul Survival Report

October 15 1993

Volume IX Number 10

Page 8

Occasional Truth

It's odd to hear someone admit the real reason for any government program, much less those that benefit the military-industrial sector. Yet Deputy Defense Secretary William Pery accidentally stated the truth recently when discussing nudear submarines, aircraft carriers, and tanks and other armored vehicles. "We need to maintain some sort of capability for designing, building and producing armed vehicles." Not a word about defense, the supposed reason we need these things in the first place. Perry also said some type of protection of these industries is necessary to preserve jobs. Increasingly, the military looks much like a huge public works project.


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1 posted on 11/09/2007 11:40:58 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Ok, enough with the Ron Paul bashing...it’s almost like we’re making fun of the mentally ill.


2 posted on 11/09/2007 11:47:05 AM PST by Def Conservative
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To: LSUfan

In a way, on this one, Paul DOES have a point. There is a lot of military spending that’s nothing more than home-district pork for certain Congresscritters. Defense spending should be judged on what’s needed for the overall defense of the interests of the United States, but a lot of times, it really does end up being corporate welfare, or vote-buying.

}:-)4


3 posted on 11/09/2007 11:50:05 AM PST by Moose4 (Ron Paul is like a beautiful plate of food ruined by a cow patty.)
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To: LSUfan

Bump


4 posted on 11/09/2007 11:53:56 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: LSUfan
Paul is absolutely right. Pork barrel spending is just as big a problem in the defense budget as it is in the domestic budget. Unfortunately, Republicans tend to give Congress carte blanche as long as it is nicely (perhaps deceivingly) labeled as "national defense."
5 posted on 11/09/2007 11:57:49 AM PST by UncleDick (Ron Paul '08)
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To: LSUfan
Perry also said some type of protection of these industries is necessary to preserve jobs

You just can't turn on major ship manufacturing in an emergency. Either we continue to build ships, major capitol ships, or we don't. If the Chi-coms build them then we HAVE to build them. So yes, to the non-stretegic thinker it may appear to be a waste. If you know history, it is the smartest thing we can do as a nation. Don't ask Ron, ask the Chicoms if it is good idea to stop making major investments in infrastructure to support major military hardware and see what kind of answer you get. While you're at it, ask the Japanese the same question.

6 posted on 11/09/2007 12:20:49 PM PST by central_va
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To: LSUfan

I can tel that Ron Paul is going to be this elections Ross Perot.
Diminutive Texans that have the “Napolean Complex” and are hell bent in forcing a Clinton upon us.
Do you think Hillary is paying him?


7 posted on 11/09/2007 12:43:22 PM PST by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: JerseyDvl

There are a lot of things that Ron Paul can be called, but I don’t think “diminutive” is one of them. I think he’s pretty close to being 6 feet tall.


8 posted on 11/09/2007 12:54:24 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: basil

Really?!? He looks like such a shrimp and acts like a weasel so I just consider him a small man.
I couldn’t find the info on the web so I’ll have to take your word for it.


9 posted on 11/09/2007 1:22:05 PM PST by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: LSUfan
Increasingly, the military looks much like a huge public works project.

Ain't it the truth! A good portion of the stuff being built the military doesn't even request.
10 posted on 11/09/2007 4:21:42 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: LSUfan

Interesting that none of your links are valid.


11 posted on 11/09/2007 4:24:36 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Moose4

Gee, didn’t Ike warn us about that same thing?


12 posted on 11/09/2007 4:25:26 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: mgstarr
"Interesting that none of your links are valid."

But is it in any way surprising?

13 posted on 11/09/2007 4:26:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Actually no it isn’t.

Sad but predictable.


14 posted on 11/09/2007 4:28:09 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: mgstarr

Wrong. I have hard copies of these newsletters. They aren’t online, so there was no web site to link to. Paul has refused to open his own archives of the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report when asked by reporters. Now we know why.


15 posted on 11/09/2007 4:29:50 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

No offense but I’m not just taking your word or your paraphrase for it.

Someone once told me to “Trust but verify”.


16 posted on 11/09/2007 4:32:48 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Moose4; ejonesie22; lormand
home-district pork for certain Congresscritters

Something Paul knows well. I believe his excuse is, better in the home district than in Washington.

17 posted on 11/09/2007 4:53:21 PM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: LSUfan

He refused to release his old newsletters, sounds like a Hilldog trick.


18 posted on 11/09/2007 4:54:04 PM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: LSUfan

No controversy here, even Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex.


19 posted on 11/10/2007 4:42:05 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: traviskicks

“Ain’t it the truth! A good portion of the stuff being built the military doesn’t even request.”

Those are ‘earmarks’. At least the military doesn’t ‘request’ them unlike Ron Paul who does request earmarks for his district.


20 posted on 11/10/2007 6:02:13 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul isn't mentioned in the Constitution either.)
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To: DugwayDuke

I agree Paul is hypocritical in his defense and use of earnmarks. But it doesn’t change that he is right on the money in this posted article.


21 posted on 11/10/2007 1:08:56 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks

“I agree Paul is hypocritical in his defense and use of earnmarks. But it doesn’t change that he is right on the money in this posted article.”

Actually, Ron Paul could not be further from the truth. In fact, this ‘article’ is typical Ron Paul BS. The man he quotes William Perry is much more correct. We do need to maintain a capability to design and produce all sorts of military hardware. One does not shop at walmart for warships or tanks or planes.

The problem is not so much the hardware needed to manufacture these things, that can be mothballed, but the manpower. If one does not continue to design and develop and produce military hardware, one loses the knowledge, talent and skills necessary.

Of course, if you agree with Ron Paul that all we need to defend the country is a few submarines, then once you’ve built a few, you can fire the engineers and disband the airforce and army, right?


22 posted on 11/10/2007 1:38:31 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul isn't mentioned in the Constitution either.)
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To: central_va
You just can't turn on major ship manufacturing in an emergency. Either we continue to build ships, major capitol ships, or we don't.

Exactly!!! There are pork barrel projects but you are spot-on (and Ron Paul off the reservation) that the infrastructure needs to be in constant production as necessary to keep an edge.

Also I have no clue what the general said before or after this quote so it is absolutely disingenious of Paul to claim this an example of defense for-$-only.

23 posted on 11/10/2007 1:43:55 PM PST by torchthemummy ("A Tagline Presidential Endorsement Forfeits A Presumption Of Objectivity")
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To: rob777

rofl, yah, i see the comparison Eisenhower, the leader that smashed the Nazis, versus some kooky career politican that throws around a bunch conspiracy laden news letters.


24 posted on 11/10/2007 7:52:45 PM PST by ridge
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To: LSUfan
$7.9 million raised so far in the 4Q. Could get $20-$25 million at end of December.

4,000 patriots attended his rally today in Philadelphia. Number of people who probably attended the other candidates? I can count them on my fingers.

Paul leads all GOP candidates in grassroots support, fundraising (Virtually all individual donations, not special-interest PACs, corporations etc), Meetup groups, blogs, YouTube videos. Has thousands of volunteers working for him for free, getting out the vote for him, his campaign has ZERO debt.

Only Republican who can get crossover Reagan Democrat, libertarian, populists, and independent voters, in addition to attracting new voters, and old-right conservatives sick and tired of the socialism that is destroying the GOP, while retaining the traditional GOP conservative base.

Your posts are having a negligible, if any, effect, and will only turn off more people from the GOP and into the Paul camp.

So please by all means, keep the hits coming, because all I'm doing is popping the popcorn and cracking open the beer and watching the implosion of so-called conservatives who are getting out-manuevered and out-classed by a 72-year old great-grandfather who's just a member of Congress.

25 posted on 11/10/2007 8:04:13 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: JerseyDvl
I can tel that Ron Paul is going to be this elections Ross Perot.

You know, maybe Paul should run as a 3rd party candidate (for the record, he told the Boston Globe today that he wouldn't).

Why should Paul do you guys any favors? You know what's hysterical? You don't want Paul to run as a Republican but yet you don't want him to run as a 3rd party candidate, knowing what will happen. If Paul runs as a 3rd party candidate and winds up splitting the vote between him and whoever the GOP nominee is, who's fault is that? Do you really believe that Paul supporters, after watching what is happening to Paul, will cheerfully vote for the GOP nominee in the general election?

The abuse that Paul has taken from the GOP establishment, and from lock-steppers who distort his views and disregard all the previous work he has done defending the Constitution, would definetly drive someone like me insane to the point of running as an independent just to enjoy the GOP meltdown into irrelevancy.

26 posted on 11/10/2007 8:11:12 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: LSUfan

LSU fan, totally off topic but Ohio St. lost tonight and LSU is trouncing La Tech. Looks like the Tigers will be rated #1 come Monday morning. Wish I were in Tiger Stadium tonight! Been a long time since I sat there during the Charlie Mac days.


27 posted on 11/10/2007 8:12:34 PM PST by strongbow
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To: LSUfan
Paul has refused to open his own archives of the Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report when asked by reporters.

Nice try. Paul was NEVER asked.

28 posted on 11/10/2007 8:14:58 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: LSUfan
For those who think stories like THIS are just isolated incidents...i've got some ocean front property in Kansas...
29 posted on 11/10/2007 8:24:35 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (sing after me......de-por-ta-tion cha-cha-cha)
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To: ridge
The comparison is not between Ron Paul and Eisenhower, but between the message in this particular thread and Ike’s warning about the Military-Industrial Complex. However nutty Ron’s other comments may be, there is nothing nutty about what he said in this thread. Too many on FR can not get past their problems with the messenger in order to objectively evaluate the substance of the message being discussed in the thread.
30 posted on 11/11/2007 6:14:26 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Paul leads all GOP candidates in grassroots support, fundraising (Virtually all individual donations, not special-interest PACs, corporations etc), Meetup groups, blogs, YouTube videos. Has thousands of volunteers working for him for free, getting out the vote for him, his campaign has ZERO debt."


I am not supporting Ron in this election cycle, but I am intrigued by the grass roots movement which has sprung up around his candidacy. I hope that it can show some staying power to be a force for freedom regardless of what comes out of Ron's campaign. Out of Howard Dean's campaign came the grass roots forces that took over the Democratic Party apparatus. What does the future have in store for the movement that sprung up in support of Ron Paul?
31 posted on 11/11/2007 6:21:28 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Wow, that was some rant. Hope you feel better now :)


32 posted on 11/11/2007 11:56:08 AM PST by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: mnehrling
He refused to release his old newsletters, sounds like a Hilldog trick.

There's a lot of garbage here that one would want to hide.

33 posted on 11/11/2007 11:58:35 AM PST by Petronski ("Willard, you canít buy South Carolina. You canít even rent it.Ē)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

A Third Party run by Paul would ensure a Hillary victory. Plus, hasn’t Paul already stated that he would not run on a Third Party ticket? If he truly is a man of his word, and I believe he is, then he will not run if he loses the Primary.


34 posted on 11/11/2007 12:12:33 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: RckyRaCoCo
Wow...

I'm sure the Paul-bashers on this thread will just ignore that one. Paul isn't electable, but he does make some REALLY good points. This is one of them...

Too bad they are so busy trashing the candidate they over look the good parts of his message that the GOP has forgotten in their quest to become "Democrat Lite".

Hhhmmm.... maybe this is a Klowne Posse/KoS Kiddy trick. Trash all of Paul's conservative principled stances, and make their chosen RINO look more palatable. I've heard of stranger things happening here.

If we next see an article denigrating our RKBA or property Rights... we'll know for sure...

35 posted on 11/11/2007 12:17:38 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Bump for third party run.


36 posted on 01/12/2008 1:26:53 PM PST by NoLibZone (Hillary 's loss will liberal repudiation of the Clinton years)
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