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Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 14 Nov 2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 11/14/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which as received rave reviews from scientists.

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The E8 pattern (left), Garrett Lisi surfing (middle) and out of the water (right)

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

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Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.

Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

E8 encapsulates the symmetries of a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and is itself is 248-dimensional. Lisi says "I think our universe is this beautiful shape."

What makes E8 so exciting is that Nature also seems to have embedded it at the heart of many bits of physics. One interpretation of why we have such a quirky list of fundamental particles is because they all result from different facets of the strange symmetries of E8.

Lisi's breakthrough came when he noticed that some of the equations describing E8's structure matched his own. "My brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," he tells New Scientist. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"

What Lisi had realised was that he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points. What remained was 20 gaps which he filled with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.

Physicists have long puzzled over why elementary particles appear to belong to families, but this arises naturally from the geometry of E8, he says. So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. "How cool is that?" he says.

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction.

"For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."



TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: maybeyesmaybeno; physics; science; stringtheory; surfer; theoryofeverything
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To: Gideon7

sweeeeetttt......


81 posted on 11/14/2007 12:28:09 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: snarks_when_bored

if his theory isn’t based on Intelligent Design, it’s wrong.


82 posted on 11/14/2007 12:28:11 PM PST by balch3
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To: snarks_when_bored

>>”Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi’s theory,” adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. “This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound.”<<

I know Dr. Finklestein and if he is impressed then is very likely worth looking at.

That said, until valid predictions are made and there is full peer review, its just “very interesating” and not the Theory of Everything.


83 posted on 11/14/2007 12:29:33 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Miles the Slasher

SO TAKE A LESSON FROM A TOP NOTCH SURFER BOY....

So take a lesson from a top-notch surfer boy
(catch a wave, catch a wave)
(Every Saturday boy)
But don’t you treat it like a toy
Just get away from the shady turf
And baby, go catch some rays on the sunny
surf
And when you catch a wave you’ll be sittin’ on
top of the world


84 posted on 11/14/2007 12:29:41 PM PST by flat
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To: madvlad

“He is likely unemployed w/ good reason.”

Before his friends found him a job as a patent clerk, Albert Einstein almost starved to death. His girl-friend Mileva had to put their infant daughter up for adoption, and they never saw or heard from the girl again.

It would seem quite appropriate for a surfer-dude to be the successor of a patent clerk. You were expecting a University professor?


85 posted on 11/14/2007 12:30:18 PM PST by devere
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To: Bender2
Indeed, being poor sucks less than my life, apparently. Surfing and snowboarding in glamorous places all the time. Dude, you rock!!!

Where exactly is the mens room on the E8? Anyone?

86 posted on 11/14/2007 12:32:05 PM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Constantine XIII

>>“Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi’s work as “fabulous”. “It is one of the most compelling unification models I’ve seen in many, many years,” he says.”

That thar is an impressive endorsement. O_O<<

Dr. Smoin wrote a semi-famous book “The Trouble with Physics” that led a new skepticism of string theory. He is well published on Quantum Gravity but yeah, his university does sound dinky.


87 posted on 11/14/2007 12:34:04 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: devere

You mean like Jeff Spicoli?

Pardon my cynicism...

But I’ve been around, ya know.
There was a time I could see. And I have seen.
Boys like these; younger than these w/ their arms blown off,
their legs torn off.

MV


88 posted on 11/14/2007 12:35:26 PM PST by madvlad (A republican at age 20 has no heart; a democrat at age 50 has no brain. Brains are better.)
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To: weegee

Ahem. Its the Journal of Obscure and Irreproducible Data.

MV
(published in Science, Proceedings of the Natl Acad of Sciences,
Jour of Exp Med, Jour of Immunol, Jour of Clin Invest et al.)

And I still put my pants on the same way as most folks. :)


89 posted on 11/14/2007 12:39:24 PM PST by madvlad (A republican at age 20 has no heart; a democrat at age 50 has no brain. Brains are better.)
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To: dblshot
Simple? Beautifull maybe but simple, I think not.

Maybe "elegant," or "symmetrical" would be a better term.

90 posted on 11/14/2007 12:40:43 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: madvlad

There are a couple of such publications now.

http://www.jir.com/

I’ve had my hardcover compendium since the 1980s. I don’t know which publication was first.


91 posted on 11/14/2007 12:44:17 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: All

haha. these dumb surfer comments are the funniest thing i’ve ever seen. who has more ? i’d really appreciate one that makes the surfer scientist look stupid and manages to throw in a high-five to intelligent design.


92 posted on 11/14/2007 12:44:54 PM PST by Eddeche
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To: Eddeche

Just paddle out
turn around and raise;
that’s all there is to the coastline craze;
catch a wave and you’re sittin’ on top of the world.

I see a wave and its like “Hey Dude! Let’s party!”

MV


93 posted on 11/14/2007 12:49:29 PM PST by madvlad (A republican at age 20 has no heart; a democrat at age 50 has no brain. Brains are better.)
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To: MrB

Quick guide to Freshman Physics:

F=MA and you can’t push on a string.


94 posted on 11/14/2007 12:50:32 PM PST by Erasmus (My simplifying explanation had the disconcerting side effect of making the subject incomprehensible.)
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To: Sudetenland

What’s yellow and dangerous?


95 posted on 11/14/2007 12:50:56 PM PST by pdunkin
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To: Miles the Slasher

Brilliant man.... There are but a few of us willing to state the conviction.

Most of unenlightened mankind insists on 38.


96 posted on 11/14/2007 12:52:12 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Atleast you got the photo from the era when the pens leaked or produced clogged little blobs.


97 posted on 11/14/2007 12:53:01 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Aquinasfan
"I find it interesting that physicists tend to assume that beauty and simplicity are signs of a valid "theory of everything."

The current buzzword among scientists in this regard seems to be "elegant". The last several years I keep hearing scientists use it on television or in print when describing theories or observed phenomena.

98 posted on 11/14/2007 12:53:42 PM PST by joebuck
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To: pdunkin

A vietnamese orphan showing up at a vets house.


99 posted on 11/14/2007 12:54:06 PM PST by dblshot
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To: Greg F

that was definitely a heavenly body....


100 posted on 11/14/2007 12:54:40 PM PST by tumblindice
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