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Video: Will Giuliani drive social conservatives from the GOP?
Fox News ^ | November 24, 2007

Posted on 11/25/2007 9:28:09 PM PST by Kurt Evans

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To: Darkwolf377
"So why will one non-conservative again mean "the end of conservatism" in this party?"

Because I think that now more than ever, conservatives are getting terminally fed up with the old bait and switch routine that the Republicans have gotten away with for the past thirty years.

21 posted on 11/25/2007 10:00:32 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: tdewey10

“Guiliani will pick conservative judges — given that the next president has at least two supreme court picks — that is huge.”

You should have watched the video before you commented. Giuliani says the “strict constructionists” he’d appoint might support Roe v. Wade. That’s one of the main points I was trying to make in the Hannity forums before they banned me. Sean has been a borderline liar about this.

From Larry King Live:

KING: Yet you’ll say you’ll appoint judges who are strict constructionists. If that’s the case, they’re going to vote to overturn “Roe v. Wade,” which you don’t want.

GIULIANI: I don’t know that. You don’t know that.

KING: Well, what is strict constructionist?

GIULIANI: Well, OK, there are a lot of ways to explain that. I mean (UNINTELLIGIBLE)... KING: Do you still favor “”Roe v. Wade?””

GIULIANI: I am pro-choice, yes. But I — I’m also, as you know — always have been — against abortion, hate abortion, don’t like it, wouldn’t personally advise anyone to have an abortion and — but I believe a woman has a right to choose.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/14/lkl.01.html


22 posted on 11/25/2007 10:00:38 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: Kurt Evans

Giuliani ain’t gonna run me off, he is the one who doesn’t belong here.


23 posted on 11/25/2007 10:01:28 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Darkwolf377

First of all, none of the examples you have given come close to the liberalism of Rudy. Rudy has been extreme left on this primary conservative issues:

1. Abortion (Strongly in favor of Partial-Birth Abortion)
2. Gay-Rights
3. 2nd Amendment rights
3. Illegal Aliens

Secondly, conservatives, by and large, are a principled lot. Not Pragmatic, and not compromising.

If he is nominated Hillary will use his past as a battering ram and the result will be all those currently uninformed strongly conservative voters will run from him.

And finally, for those of us unwilling to sacrifice our morals and our principles, we will not be “stomping off” as you so incorrectly characterize it, we will be voting our conscience and our principles. Something you seem to willing to compromise on.


24 posted on 11/25/2007 10:01:46 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Earthdweller

A little long for a bumper sticker.

I prefer: “Life’s a bitch, so why vote for one?”


25 posted on 11/25/2007 10:02:02 PM PST by Mr. Mojo (“Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors and miss.")
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To: tdewey10
There will be no new conservative SCOTUS justices in the next president’s term, because Harry Reid and co. will never allow a confirmation vote. Bet on it. Then Rudy would have a perfect excuse to withdraw the nomination, and appoint a "moderate", just like he appointed in NY. "I kept my promise, but the Democrats wouldn't confirm him. The Supreme Court is too important to leave a seat vacant."
26 posted on 11/25/2007 10:06:07 PM PST by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: SoConPubbie

**Where Rudy and Hillary are concerned, there is not much differentiation between the levels of evil.**

Whoever is elected President has the lives of two and a half million men and women of the US Armed Forces in their hands.

I won’t let them down at the polls when it comes to a choice between Hillary and any other candidate.

I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee is (even Ron Paul) rather than see Hillary destroy the US Military which she will.

I suspect Rudy as President will be the end of the Republican Party, end of Conservatism, etc and end of this forum. It is up to the anti Rudy crowd to defeat him in the primaries. But if it becomes a choice on doing what is best for the Party vs what is best for the United States it is a no brainer, I will vote for Rudy.

I have told my Democratic friends, they nominate Obama or Edwards I would be happy even if the Republicans lost. Hillary is the key, if she somehow don’t get the nomination I am not going to vote for Rudy and I suspect much of his support would disappear.


27 posted on 11/25/2007 10:06:56 PM PST by Swiss
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To: tdewey10

Leopards don’t change their spots.

Guiliani will not nominate conservative, pro-life judges. That is the biggest lie of the campaign....thus far.


28 posted on 11/25/2007 10:12:24 PM PST by DivaDelMar
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To: Swiss

Not me.

For one, you are playing into the Hillary boogey-man.

Hillary is too much concerned with her own power and Bill (Mr. Triangulation) will not let her do something so totally stupid that would put in harm’s way the men and women in our armed forces.

On top of this is the fact that the tide has turned on Iraq. Even if she by some miracle became president, it would not be in her best interests (and this is all she is about) to turn tail in Irag. She will have to finish out the war successfully.


29 posted on 11/25/2007 10:14:34 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Darkwolf377

We The People are and own the GOP. We must throw the RINO pirateers overboard.


30 posted on 11/25/2007 10:14:39 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Swiss
I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee is

I think that's the plan. It was the plan last election. It didn't work but it's still the plan IMO.

31 posted on 11/25/2007 10:15:06 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Yep. If he gets it, I’M WALKIN’.

Same in our family!! And we will no longer listen to Sean Hannity ....and if Rush presses for Rudy, him either!!!!!!

32 posted on 11/25/2007 10:16:12 PM PST by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: pollywog
Same in our family!! And we will no longer listen to Sean Hannity ....and if Rush presses for Rudy, him either!!!!!!

Ditto that here!
33 posted on 11/25/2007 10:16:53 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Kurt Evans; calcowgirl

It looks like it happened in Calif as the state party is so short of money they no longer can fund county chapters.


34 posted on 11/25/2007 10:17:24 PM PST by tubebender (The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.)
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To: Swiss
>if she somehow don’t get the nomination I am not going to vote for Rudy and I suspect much of his support would disappear.

There it is, and you nailed it.

Rudy really has nothing of National import to run on except one thing:

Anyone but hillary!

Didn’t work for Kerry. - Won't work for Rudy.

The clintons will roll over him like a trailer park whore.

35 posted on 11/25/2007 10:18:47 PM PST by bill1952
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To: tubebender
It looks like it happened in Calif as the state party is so short of money they no longer can fund county chapters.

Arnold is a good case study for showing what Rudy would do to the GOP at the national level.

And don't you know they are best buds!?
36 posted on 11/25/2007 10:19:30 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: bill1952
"We have zero control, leverage, or input to her at all,and together with the likely makeup of the Congress after 08, I do believe that every single item on the Socialist agenda will become law."

Here's the way that I've started to view this Repub / Dem situation. First of all, I've never been a member of any political party. I've always called the shots as I saw them. Having said that, todays two party system boils down to the following:

On the one hand we have the new Republican party that is in actuality the face of the corporate globalists and anti-nationalists.

On the other hand, we have the new Democrats that are in reality the face of the new global Marxists. They of course have always been anti-nationalists.

Throw in the Islamo Fascists to really stir things up an you have the perfect recipe for global disaster.

That means that when you choose one or the other , you are merely choosing your favorite brand of tyranny. Either way, you end up a slave.

Comments as usual are welcome.

37 posted on 11/25/2007 10:20:50 PM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Darkwolf377
What you are describing, is in essence a type of monarchy lite, with all moderates (either slightly right or slightly left) coming down the elite pipeline. I have no problem with moderates, but I do have a problem with the monarchy part.

This is a result of Tom Delay's policy of solidly defining the two parties...it's a divide and conquerer strategy that both sides of the isle are perpetuating on the Republic. It was never meant to be this way.

The big lie is that Hillary is a moderate and that Rudy is a conservative. The powers that be (see out of control government)want to move the sheeple further to the left in the monarchy.

We have got to find ways to reach those across the isle (bypass the media political arm) or we will continue to be ruled. That way is not to become a member of the other isle by proxy like Rudy has.

Rudy's election, to me, will signify that we have surrendered.

38 posted on 11/25/2007 10:21:23 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Lazarus Longer
Bwahahaha! I like it but my pastor may not! (Need strength...LOL)
39 posted on 11/25/2007 10:23:06 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: tdewey10

Our Govenator Swartzebegger has appointed more democrat judges than Republican judges...


40 posted on 11/25/2007 10:25:47 PM PST by tubebender (The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.)
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