Former generals, admirals question military gay policy

greasing, initiations, crossing the line are all fine memories.

I think the only reason we even had a ceremony was because the XO was still a Wog and demanded it. I've talked to guys who crossed the line on other ships where the Skipper barely acknowledged it. Today's COs live in fear of the slightest mishap turning into a career-ender. Crossing the line ceremonies, beer days, etc... are viewed as unnecessary and potential liabilities.

The navy is still the best job I've had. The pay and benefits are comfortable. I met my beloved wife in port overseas. I made 2nd class at three years and the re-enlistment bonus for Ordnancemen was very, very good!

One has to wonder if the timing of this petition and the New York Slimes story about it was planned as an immediate follow-up to the question posed by the retired gay brigadier general at the Republican presidential debate last Wednesday(?) night. That questioner was apparently a "plant" by the HRC campaign, to which he was connected. He was an interloper at the debate, which was supposed to be taking questions from Republican primary voters. So the Slimes story about this petition, and/or the petition itself, may well have been orchestrated by Her Royal Thighness' campaign as well.

Many people in the military are highly religious and/or from the South (which still has an old fashioned sense of honor). I would even go as far to say they are its backbone. If you legalized homosexuality and condoned gay conduct that was detrimental to good order and discipline, you would see the military empty of those people fast. They might come to the conclusion that the behavior arrayed before them was not worth fighting and dying for. Certainly, the would not want to raise their children in base housing next to homosexual couples. I can’t prove it, but I firmly believe this would decimate the military as we know it.

While I believe "all" these general officers are greviously wrong-headed to advocate rescinding "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," I think it is equally wrong-headed to believe non-combat general officers have no standing and no expertise to advocate such changes.

You're wrong. It's like asking all doctors to comment on the use of deaf operating room nurses. If I ask a surgeon or anyone that uses the OR they have an understanding of the problem. If I ask a radiologist, sports medicine doctor or psychiatrist about this, they don't know d#ck about the operating room.

That's my point. Guys that aren't in combat or haven't served in combat have a hard time understanding the crudeness and other BS that goes with living together and having to trust someone. This trust is at the basic level. It's not , "gee i wonder how he feels." It's more to the point of having no doubts about someone.

If you see someone not advance on a position, or fail to provide cover cause they're ducking or always come up lame when there is a crappy detail....well then you call them a pussy or fag or worse. It's all in the way team mates on a football locker room act. Now if you say that and get brought up on charges by UCMJ for sexual harassment of homosexuals, well then you start to think of them as "special".

NOBODY in your unit is "special" or "different". You are all the same, Marines. Your exactly the same as every other Marine. Now you've got to treat certain Marines different.

It would be a mess.

Have I served with homosexuals? Probably. Did I trust the individuals that I thought were homosexuals? Never had the opportunity to need to trust them.

But from what I've seen of homosexuals in education, medicine, politics and churches.... Homosexuals are like flies. Whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.

There only purpose in life is to justify there perverted lifestyle of narcissistic, sociopathic, gender confused to others, while either seducing other boys to their game or destroying the institutions they occupy.

“Many people in the military are highly religious and/or from the South (which still has an old fashioned sense of honor). I would even go as far to say they are its backbone. If you legalized homosexuality and condoned gay conduct that was detrimental to good order and discipline, you would see the military empty of those people fast. They might come to the conclusion that the behavior arrayed before them was not worth fighting and dying for. Certainly, the would not want to raise their children in base housing next to homosexual couples. I can’t prove it, but I firmly believe this would decimate the military as we know it.”

As someone who comes from a Southern Military family, you sir are exactly right. Openly allowing gays in the military would cause a great reduction in Southern support, which currently supports the military more than any other region (The Midwest would act in a similar way.)

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