Posted on 12/02/2007 4:35:26 AM PST by Daffynition
BTW FOLKS
Look at the meme here.
Don’t ask don’t tell was put in place as a prosecutorial adjustment to the DO EXPELL policy.
repealing don’t ask don’t tell would go back to the mandatory expulsion policy.
these homosexual generals are trying to WRITE A NEW POLICY.
This is VERY ORWELLIAN.
It implies homosexuals were allowed to serve.
I don't know what the environment was like in the army when you served but I am currently in the navy and my observation is that many of the younger people I serve with just aren't that anti-gay these days. It really isn't something they care strongly about. Blame it on public school indoctrination or blame it on the gradual societal acceptance of homosexuality, I don't know. These people come out of school where they had openly gay classmates or come from jobs where they had openly gay co-workers. Some of them have openly gay family members. And while male/male homosexuality isn't celebrated, there are always a couple of guys in every command whom everyone knows are gay. Again, as long as they aren't making out in the berthing, nobody really cares. And lesbianism? It is much more open and prevalent in the military. Many women don't even bother to try and hide it. You can ask any female sailor, there's a lot of dyke action taking place openly in the female berthings.
To those wishing to change it, it’s just an agenda.
It is an agenda. I don't think it is that the top brass is embracing homosexuality as much as they are trying to mitigate the problems caused by "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." Case in point: I served with an lesbian shipmate in my work center. It was obvious she was a lesbian as she always talked about her girlfriend back home. Well, 5 months into an 8 month cruise, she was tired and wanted to go home. Hell, we were ALL tired and wanted to go home! She went to our chief and said, "I'm a lesbian." He asked her if she was sure she wanted to do this. She said yes. They went to see the skipper and she said the same thing. Again, he asked if she was sure she wanted to do this. Then they went to CAG (our skipper's boss) and again she said she was a lesbian.
Well, the navy had no choice but to discharge her (general under honorable conditions) and she was off the boat leaving our shop short-handed for the remaining three months of cruise.
This is a huge headache for the military! Furthermore, the military has to compete for prospective employees against civilian jobs --most all of which prohibit discrimination on the basis of orientation. So when top brass is calling for the repeal of "DADT" the reasons are most likely administrative in nature.
See my post #42.
And how about transexuals? You know the Colonel is now wearing a dress?
Maybe a Navy chapter of the North American Man (cabin)boy Love Association?
Ask Hillary in two parts. Set her up with the gays, which she would go for, and then ask her why she is a bisexual, transgendered, NAMBL bigot.
The queer issue will cause MANY to quit the military,,,which is EXACTLY what it is intended to do. THIMK! and try to wake up!
That's pretty well-known.
My dad was in the Navy for years-Pearl Harbor Survivor. We got talking about homosexuals one day & he said they keep them out of the Navy for their own good. That if one was found to be on a ship, he'd most likely end up tossed overboard.
In the first Gulf War....about three days before I got to King Fahd Air Base...the two guys on back-gate guard duty at the base camp...were found behind the guard shack at about 0100 in the morning....having sex. The Major who discovered the two characters...took them in the vehicle out to the runway...got the commander to sign immediate orders...and by 0700, they were on a plane returning to the US...facing a court martial for failure to carry out orders (they were the sole guards for the entire rear of the camp). It amazed me...that these two characters didn’t grasp the significance of their duty.
Bet most of these were mominated for General under the Clinton administration, so I would discount this list.
Those in the ranks probably have, and always have had, a good idea of who is and isn’t gay.
The difference is in serving openly. To serve openly means that what you do is OK. Which leads to - if anybody disapproves then it’s they who have the problem.
If it’s OK then the promotion lists will have to be scrubbed to insure Gays are promoted at the same rate as everybody else.
During the boards, in the Army, they would score everybody’s records and then come up with the list, ranked by points you got on the board. Everybody on the list was eligible for promotion but there was only so many slots available. The board would then go through the list bumping white dudes down and minorities up until the right numbers were found.
Sit there and have some CSM explain that to you and then say the system is fair. So when the list comes out people would look at minorities and wonder - “Did they make it on their own or were they bumped.”
As I said I have no problem with “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”
Sir, as an enlisted sailor, that's been my observation as well. The men who show up late for muster are almost always reeking of alcohol. The couple of gay men in my command (obviously, they're not "out" but everyone pretty much knows they're gay) are otherwise exemplary sailors who keep their sex lives to themselves (as it should be for everyone).
every rifleman a marine, every marine a rifleman.
This is the military, I thought there were NO pure administrative jobs because any military person could be sent to cobate at any time.
Not a great deal of live fire combat duty at the starbucks coffee house or the saks fifth avenue.
The homo issue goes way beyond behavior by consenting adults.
If it is allowed, are we prepared to witness San Francisco Folsom type fairs by our military personnel? Are we prepared for “hate” crimes in the UCMJ? Are we prepared to see otherwise patriotic people not enlist because open homosexuality is allowed and may become encouraged? I’m not saying any of these are certain, they are posssible and must be considered.
Bottom line: Just how could homosexuality jeopardize the mission of our Armed Forces?
One of them, David Hale is listed as a Major General. He was court martialed in 1998 for hitting on a colonel’s wife, and was demoted to Brigadier General. She wasn’t the first hit.
The same can be said for the Army. I've run across this in active duty schools and in the National Guard units I've been in during my career. Many get promoted earlier as well. I know several straight males who were E-6 or E-7 when the lesbians were E-4 or E-5 and some of those gals are already E-9 or retired and the guys are still E-7 or maybe E-8. One is even half Native American but he refuses to pull the minority card to get promoted.
When I was at a school at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in the late 80s, we had a female Drill SGT who was sleeping with the female commander of one of the units there. They got plastered one Friday night, about half way through the course. The drill SGT wrecked the CO's car and both got the boot.
I see that. And I'm not banging the drums for gays in the military either. I just can see the administrative problems with being forced by law to use homosexuality as a basis for discharge. I think that many of the top brass would like to be able to have other options.
Hah. ;-)
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Excellent point.
I see several problems:
1) We would have the situation that the Catholic church now faces. It’s seminaries are so infiltrated by gays that heterosexuals are avoiding them.
2) Gays would promote gays, making it difficult for hetersexuals to make a career in the services. This would discourage hetersexuals from joining.
3) Our armed forces would become ever more liberal in political orientation. Personally, I would use the word Marxist. We could no longer count on Constitution loyal officers willing to remove a Chavez-style president.
I'm not talking about administrative jobs within the military. I'm talking about administrating a policy within the military.
Yep...
A bunch of one and two star officers, and about a third are medical.
I’m glad that I wasn’t in the Artillery. LOL.
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