Posted on 12/08/2007 11:30:00 AM PST by sevenbak
After Thursdays speech by Romney on 'Faith in America', I thought I would share what he did not, nor should he have. This is what he believes about Jesus Christ. It's the statement by the leaders proclaimed to the world at the turn of the millennium, in January 2000.
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The Living Christ: The testimony of the Apostles of the LDS Church.
As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth.
He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). Though sinless, He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He “went about doing good” (Acts 10:38), yet was despised for it. His gospel was a message of peace and goodwill. He entreated all to follow His example. He walked the roads of Palestine, healing the sick, causing the blind to see, and raising the dead. He taught the truths of eternity, the reality of our premortal existence, the purpose of our life on earth, and the potential for the sons and daughters of God in the life to come.
He instituted the sacrament as a reminder of His great atoning sacrifice. He was arrested and condemned on spurious charges, convicted to satisfy a mob, and sentenced to die on Calvary’s cross. He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world.
He rose from the grave to “become the firstfruits of them that slept” (1 Corinthians 15:20). As Risen Lord, He visited among those He had loved in life. He also ministered among His “other sheep” (John 10:16) in ancient America. In the modern world, He and His Father appeared to the boy Joseph Smith, ushering in the long-promised “dispensation of the fulness of times” (Ephesians 1:10).
Of the Living Christ, the Prophet Joseph wrote: “His eyes were as a flame of fire; the hair of his head was white like the pure snow; his countenance shone above the brightness of the sun; and his voice was as the sound of the rushing of great waters, even the voice of Jehovah, saying:
“I am the first and the last; I am he who liveth, I am he who was slain; I am your advocate with the Father” (D&C 110:3–4).
Of Him the Prophet also declared: “And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—
“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).
We declare in words of solemnity that His priesthood and His Church have been restored upon the earth—“built upon the foundation of … apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Ephesians 2:20).
We testify that He will someday return to earth. “And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together” (Isaiah 40:5). He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him. Each of us will stand to be judged of Him according to our works and the desires of our hearts.
We bear testimony, as His duly ordained Apostles—that Jesus is the Living Christ, the immortal Son of God. He is the great King Immanuel, who stands today on the right hand of His Father. He is the light, the life, and the hope of the world. His way is the path that leads to happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come. God be thanked for the matchless gift of His divine Son.
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We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary.
Oh well; there goes... "It is FINISHED!"
We declare in words of solemnity that His priesthood and His Church have been restored upon the earth—
“built upon the foundation of … apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Ephesians 2:20).
RESTORED??
What did ... leave out? (Anything PRECIOUS?)
KJv states:
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him.
in worship? Adding MORE stuff to and changing the KJV again?
-- King James Romans 14:11-12
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Written where?
KJV Isaiah 45:22-25
22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24. Surely, shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Why would anyone post words of their leaders, if what they say are NOT the equivalent of SCRIPTURE??
And then, even post stuff that is ALMOST what REAL Scripture says?
We will, for we've been given these commands:
Of COURSE not!!
We've told you Gentiles over and over that the words our past leaders have spoken or written or have been alledged to has said are basically meaningless unless WE consider their words to be SCRIPTURE! (something our leaders can change as time goes along.)
--MormonDude(Why don't you guys GET IT??)
Just WHAT did he say about HIS religion?
All I heard was words about 'religion' in general in the USoA.
I like Mitt, too, but he is in fact very LIBERAL on a lot of his ideas.
Give folks a bit of a break.
They can KNOW their bible real well, but if the do NOT 'know' the facts about the founding of Mormonism, THEN they could be deceived by all the bible-LIKE talk that emanates from Salt Lake City and elsewhere.
"STUDY to show yourself approved..."
Let's see what the Book has to say...
First off, we have 3 accounts of Christ basicly saying "Goodbye" to His disciples - Christians, if you will...
Matthew 26:29
I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."
Mark 14:24-25
24. "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.
25. "I tell you the truth, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God."
Luke 22:17-19
17. After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you.
18. For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
19. And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
And St. John records Jesus' words here :
John 16:7
But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. St. Paul writes to the church that meets in Thessalonica of Jesus' return:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13. Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope.
14. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
15. According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
18. Therefore encourage each other with these words.
We see nothing in Scripture that indicates Christ Himself will appear bodily to man on earth at any time UNTIL what is known as the SECOND coming.
Anyone who claims otherwise has the burden of PROOF on their shoulders.
Revelation 1:7
Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
(Not just 'Christians')
That Joe Smith is a "true prophet" is an LDS belief.
It is not MY belief.
I figure brer Smith to have been a charlatan and an opportunist.
“Just WHAT did he say about HIS religion?”
That he’s not going to put it before his patriotism. That coming true, I’m totally uninterested in his religion.
I know it doesn’t advocate chopping peoples’ heads or hands off, or flying airplanes full of people into buildings of people.
Church leaders trying to hide what they really believe. Nice.
I really wish I had said that before you did. :) Mormonism is, indeed, off the wall, and I do not really comprehend how Mr. Romney could believe the “extraneous” stuff. However, if it comes down to him and any other Democrat (aka Commie/Liberal/Socialist), no question Romney will get my vote. Because every election is choosing the lesser of two evils, whether we like it or not.
You and I are in agreement!
DU, as you know I am former mormon...I DO think your suggestion is not really appropriate. Some people would consider it a breach of the anonymonity of this site. And hoppity might get some replies he/she may not like to that question.
I, personally, make it a point to not try and label the FReepers I debate with, even though most of the time I can tell if they are mormon.
As our mod friend keeps saying, "Don't make it personal."
You are welcome. I know it would bring out the antis in force, but so be it. It needs to be read again, especially this time of year.
Merry Christmas!
If you want to learn about the Mormon faith try reading their books and not the Anti's. You will find that what they teach about who Jesus is, is very different from what the pagan Nicean Creed teaches, but is right on with what the Bible Teaches.
Secondly, LDS doctrine is firm in it’s affirmation that Mary was a virgin, but was overshadowed with eh Holy Ghost. Jesus is the literal son of God, how the Father chose to do that is beyond our reckoning. Having 4 children all conceived by artificial means, makes them no less my children than a normal conception. I don’t get lost in the mysteries of the Kingdom that are just not important. What is important is that Jesus Christ is literally the son of God. That is a truism and nothing less will do.
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