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Colorado (Church) shooter was baptized into LDS faith
KSL News, Salt Lake City ^ | 12/13/07 | Sarah Dallof

Posted on 12/13/2007 11:44:15 AM PST by colorcountry

KSL News has learned the man who went on a shooting rampage at two Colorado church properties had been baptized into the LDS Church a year ago.

Matthew Murray killed four people and wounded several others Sunday, before he turned the gun on himself. He targeted people at two Christian churches, posting anti-religion messages online before the shootings. But a year ago, he welcomed religion in his life, according to one man who taught Murray about the Latter-day Saint faith.

A.J. Ormond was there the day Matthew Murray was baptized. He says he immediately noticed a change; Murray seemed happy, calm, at peace. It was a demeanor that changed dramatically in just a year.

"He seemed like a normal person, maybe a little sheltered." That's how A.J. Ormond remembers Matthew Murray, the man police say shot and killed two at a Youth with Mission Center in Arvada, then two sisters at a New Life Church in Colorado Springs 12 hours later.

Before the attacks, he posted hate-filled messages online like "You Christians brought this on yourselves," and "All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you... as I can."

"I think everybody goes through 'Is there anything I could have done? Anything?'", Ormond said.

Ormond met Murray in November 2006 in Colorado. Murray wanted to learn more about the LDS church. Ormond and his wife worked with the missionaries in their ward.

"I think he was interested in learning about all religions, trying to figure out what fit him and his beliefs and finding somewhere where he could fit in," Ormond said.

Ormond describes Murray as polite and friendly, a young man who, despite his family's protests, was seriously contemplating devoting his life to the LDS Church. Murray's experience with the LDS Church culminated with his baptism. Soon after, he stopped going to church; and just a little over a year later, Murray was dead from a self-inflicted gunshot to his head following a shootout with a security guard.

The photos of him splashed on TV were easily recognizable to Ormond; his motives, though, a mystery. Ormond said, "It was obvious that it wasn't the person we had known that had committed those shootings and those murders."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement saying, "We checked our records, and they confirm that Matthew Murray of Englewood, Colorado, was baptized about a year ago."

Beyond that, the church said it would have no comment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: baptism; churchshooting; colorado; lds; ldschurch; mormon; murray; newlifechurch
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1 posted on 12/13/2007 11:44:16 AM PST by colorcountry
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To: colorcountry

oh boy here we go


2 posted on 12/13/2007 11:45:50 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: colorcountry

This guy was terminally messed up, no way his behavior is a commentary on anything but his own soul.


3 posted on 12/13/2007 11:46:13 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: colorcountry
We don't need to badmouth the Mormons over this nut case.


4 posted on 12/13/2007 11:46:23 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: colorcountry

What about diet or drugs?


5 posted on 12/13/2007 11:46:39 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: colorcountry
Murray seemed happy, calm, at peace. It was a demeanor that changed dramatically in just a year.

Unfortunately he was just as psycho after his conversion as he was the day before.
6 posted on 12/13/2007 11:46:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: colorcountry

Ok. So what?

This was an obviously sick and twisted kid- REGARDLESS of what he thought he believed.


7 posted on 12/13/2007 11:47:52 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: colorcountry
I hear that he had also recently signed up for Disney's ToonTown...
8 posted on 12/13/2007 11:50:07 AM PST by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: colorcountry

Thanks for showing us that there was no cover-up.


9 posted on 12/13/2007 11:50:16 AM PST by fproy2222 (If you want to know the truth, study both sides. To the most original source.)
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To: SE Mom

I guess that Temple Recommend is on hold.


10 posted on 12/13/2007 11:50:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: colorcountry
Murray was messed up
by his parents. His own words
are sad and frightning:

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Murray's childhood seems to have been remembered by him in a fashion that reinforced his suicidal thought patterns. One thread Murray wrote about was of him being the "Prophetic Child."

"Prophetic Child"
Since I was at least age 6 my mother and her church friends have always told me about how my birth was "foretold." They say that while I was still in my mother's womb a "prophet" told my mother that I was to be, quote, "a prophet to the nations" and something along the lines of the next Billy Graham/Peter Wagner.

They said that the following verses applied to me: Mat. 12.18 and Ezk. 36:26-28

Basically, they believe that I am their "chosen one" for "the end times" and according to the Ezekial passage they believe that I am going to go back to their church/system.

The problem right now is the fact that it appears that they are always going to pursue me throughout life (and they have said so), as I am supposedly the "chosen one." As far as I can tell they did not treat the other youth the same way.

Well, I don't want to be their "chosen one" at all. I just wish I could find some way to wake up from this nightmare.

~ nghtmrchld26, 9/7/07 9:13 pm, on the Ex Pentecostal Forums - Message Board - ezboard.com.
[quoted at Copycat Effect -- Church Shooter: Prophetic Child ]

11 posted on 12/13/2007 11:51:05 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

That is sad.


12 posted on 12/13/2007 11:52:56 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry

Bet he endorsed Mitt. He musta loved Mitt’s support for gun control — more easy targets.


13 posted on 12/13/2007 11:53:10 AM PST by JohnnyZ (victim victim Mitt victim victim Romneyvictim victim victim so persecuted, poor me!)
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To: colorcountry

This is a MSM dig against a certain Pres candidate... read between the lines here!


14 posted on 12/13/2007 11:53:33 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: colorcountry

Another way to make the Mormon’s look bad? This guy had problems that, probably, no one could help.


15 posted on 12/13/2007 11:55:15 AM PST by RC2
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To: colorcountry

I was reading some of the forums postings from this kid yesterday. He posted on an ex Pentecostal site. Appeared to be a very disturbed young man.


16 posted on 12/13/2007 11:56:16 AM PST by sweet_diane (Adoption, the beautiful alternative.)
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Hardly. KSL is owned by the LDS Church.


17 posted on 12/13/2007 11:57:46 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: AppyPappy

The scratchy sacred underwear drove him to it.


18 posted on 12/13/2007 11:59:44 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: theFIRMbss

I wonder how much of this is true.

I don’t doubt that his parents were committed Christians with great hopes for their kids. But they thought he was some kind of promised Messiah? Maybe so, maybe no.

There doesn’t seem to be much doubt that his failures in religion bugged him, but ultimately the responsibility was his own, I think.

The same with this Mormon angle. It’s part of the same effort to belong, coupled with a failure to belong, that was disappointed when he wasn’t chosen for the missionary deal. He tries, he fails, and he blames others, including the victims he shot.


19 posted on 12/13/2007 11:59:53 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: colorcountry

Better for the LDS to go ahead and put the info out there, IMHO. Mitt isn’t my man, yet this shouldn’t be twisted as a dig to him.


20 posted on 12/13/2007 11:59:59 AM PST by sweet_diane (Adoption, the beautiful alternative.)
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