Posted on 12/16/2007 1:01:26 PM PST by greyfoxx39
Kathryn – It seems to me that the race issue is where religion and politics most clearly intersect in Romney's case. Like it or not, if Romney becomes the Republican nominee, Democrats will bring up the "Mormon racism" charge again. You can just bet on it. But more immediately, it will be interesting to see what role, if any, it will play in voters' decisions in the primaries. The fact is, it has become a staple of political campaigns for candidates to be asked about their association with institutions that discriminate. There was a huge uproar in the 2000 campaign, for example, about George W. Bush and Bob Jones University. (Although my favorite, if trivial, example was the time Bill Clinton was asked about playing golf at an all-white country club, and he responded, with a completely straight face, that he had only played nine holes.) In any event, it's common practice to ask about country clubs, social groups, schools, etc.
The issue now is whether that kind of question also applies to Romney's church. And the problem, for Romney, is that, to my knowledge at least, he has not said simply that the LDS church was wrong to exclude blacks from the priesthood and top leadership positions before 1978. Voters don't mind it – they even like it – when a candidate says something in the past was wrong but that now it is right. But today, on "Meet the Press," Romney wouldn't say that.
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i asked about the revelation several weeks ago, when a few of us in the NR Washington bureau met with Mormon Elders M. Russell Ballard and Quentin L. Cook, who had come to Washington to meet with staffers of several publications. (They were concerned about the image of the church; they did not discuss Romney or his candidacy and offered no opinion on it.) When I asked why the church changed position in 1978, the answer was, if I recall correctly, that they did not know. It wasn't a flip answer; they were saying that they could not know why God had given that revelation to Kimball at that particular moment. They were not inclined to say that the church had been wrong before. That's a built-in dilemma of the system; if a church says it is led by revelation, and then says it was wrong, it's kind of like saying God was wrong.
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Funny thing tho... all the 'hate-mormon' crud from the Democratic Party members here at FR (ejonesie22; Politicalmom; colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN & greyfoxx39 among others) has finally decided the issue of who I should vote for in the Primaries.
Romney it is.
redrock
Good for you.
It is common courtesy when accusing a freeper of being a democrat, to ping them to the post.
You don’t know how sorry I feel for them. It hurts when I see my people deceived. Many became Mormons for what they saw on the outside. They did not bother to find out what the Mormons believed. When someone finally shows them what the book of Mormon has to say about them, they are shocked, hurt, and confused.
To invest your life, your time, your money, and your hopes for the future in a religion only to find out what they truly believe about you, has got to be heart breaking. I believe more people need to read the Bible to know the truth; then they won’t fall for the false.
I NEVER said anything about hating Mormons, you lying jerk.
Had to make my report to the Pope....and it took longer than the one I made yesterday.
redrock
Now that we've gotten the prelim's out of the way how DO you feel about the LDS???
redrock
Maybe you should ping them now.
BTW Romney is a RINO.
But I won't question your motives in voting for him.
Even though you gave a pretty lame excuse for doing it.
Prove your slanderous crap, right now.
I have made ONE comment about Mormonism this entire month. It was a simple statement of fact.
Is this an example of kind of hateful behavior on these Mormon threads that made made you decide to vote for Romney?
Funny, I didn't see your name on that list.
I just figure that if those that are Liberal (or members of the DU) want to spend so MUCH time and effort to slam a man about his Religion...they must be afraid of him.
The LDS are almost all (a few Democrats exist) to a voting person REPUBLICANS and CONSERVATIVES. All the idiotic ranting against a solid VOTING (and LDS DO vote) bloc just sends the signal that their vote's are wasted so why vote Republican?
If you don't like Romney...that's fine. I doubt if any LDS would care. But it's kinda stupid to alienate a nice chunk of COnservative votes.
redrock
p.s....since you already pinged them...it's already done.
If that's 'hateful'....than I have some land for you to purchase.
It's beachfront...and in Nevada. (figure that if you consider THAT hateful...you'll fall for anything)
redrock
redrock
And your lying about the posting history of political mom and then calling her a twit when she called you on it makes me think that maybe you are a paid operative of the Romney campaign or a DU plant just sent here to stir the pot.
Run away, coward.
If you have watched the video many recieve the Testamony by the power of the Holy Spirit way before they joined the Church.
It was through the Book of Mormon they were converted.
It is late so I am off for the night Africa is growing so fast that it will be them who will be sharing the Gospel with the Europeans.
Good night
It's terribly disingenuous to refer to the incident of Moses, his wife, his sister Miriam, and his brother Aaron as one of "racism." That was the initial basis for the chatter against Moses, but more selfish motives emerged immediately thereafter: "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this."
God's action of striking Miriam with a skin disorder was specifically in response to their challenging Moses' authority rather than the complaint of his wife being Cushite.
I sincerely hope that you were simply misinformed or ignorant of the context of this incident, and not deliberately misleading.
Let me interject at this point that I am a black man. And no, I am not now nor have I ever been a Mormon.
As you can see with my response above (from my original post) I am aware of the reason Miriam was struck "white as snow." I was not using this as a proof of racism at all. In fact the opposite is the case. No where in this story is God shown as being racist. Unlike the book of Mormon, the Bible in no way supports anyone who wants to believe in racism. In fact, I am still waiting for someone to post the verses they think support racism in the Bible. I have yet to have even one response.
There are some on this board who would describe their god as believing in racism. I am not one of those people. I know God does not discriminate based on skin color. I hope someday the Mormons come to that same understanding.
Yet I know for that to happen, they will have to renounce the "prophets" who founded them.
I believe you are the one who is misinformed. But then I could be wrong. But I have studied this portion of scripture quite carefully.
Are you suggesting that the Cushite woman was not black? If it was merely a response to a challenge to Moses authority, then why even mention the Cushite woman? Did not Miriam and Aaron speak against Moses "BECAUSE" of the Cushite woman?
I detect a hint of racial prejudice in the response of Miriam and Aaron, unless maybe you can think of some other reason why they didn't like the Cushite woman. Maybe she was too short?
Let me interject at this point that I am a black man. And no, I am not now nor have I ever been a Mormon.
Does being a black man make you a better Bible interpreter than me?
If not, then why would you mention it? What relevance is there in interpreting scripture in the fact that you are a black man?
>>So what makes your faith right a consensus of men over the word of God!<<
Sorry, but I don’t understand the question.
Meanwhile, you said this: “ I believe the Bible and I believe my faith.”
Why? There is faith and there is blind faith. Why is yours not blind faith? Over 500 people claimed to have seen Jesus after his resurrection. How many people saw the golden tablets? One. Is one witness enough? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but in the case of the claims of Joseph Smith, even “normal” evidence is absent.
Meanwhile, time has told the validity and veracity of his claims, which have been altered, changed, overridden and even superseded by “new revelation”. I considered the Mormon faith back around 1979. It didn’t really take much research to determine that I could not become Mormon and call myself a Christian. At the time I was neither but eventually became a Christian, and this after researching. All that I have read and experienced since that time has only confirmed my faith.
For Christians there really are no “salamander letters”, quakers on the moon or eternal marriage, not to mention spiritual underwear. It is the simple message of Christ and Him Crucified. No need to complicate perfect grace, which is the defining difference between Christianity and all the man-made religions on the planet.
I believe many “mormons” are Christians. But that is merely because they have not fully subscribed to what Mormonism teaches. There are so many holes in the mormon version of Christianity and the are continuing to be exposed as time marches on, while Christianity changes its “story” not one iota, nor does it ever need to.
For that there is a simple reason.
Seeing as you will find NONE, I will take it that you are quite comfortable with being a lying sack of * and have chosen wisely.
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