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Mormonism, Romney, and Race (NRO-Bryon York)
National Review ^ | December 16, 2007 | Bryon York

Posted on 12/16/2007 1:01:26 PM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: Elsie
....actually...I'm Catholic.

But...hey...you've never let the truth get in your way before.....

redrock

241 posted on 12/17/2007 9:01:36 PM PST by redrock ("Better a shack in Heaven...than a Mansion in Hell"----My Grandmother)
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To: greyfoxx39
Frankly...you're not worth worrying about.

redrock

242 posted on 12/17/2007 9:03:39 PM PST by redrock ("Better a shack in Heaven...than a Mansion in Hell"----My Grandmother)
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To: xzins
Thank you oh so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
243 posted on 12/17/2007 9:31:43 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: redrock

You can’t post a single bit of proof about your lies, yet you sound so proud of yourself.

You are disgusting.


244 posted on 12/17/2007 10:04:32 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: Politicalmom
Let it ride......

redrock

245 posted on 12/17/2007 10:16:38 PM PST by redrock ("Better a shack in Heaven...than a Mansion in Hell"----My Grandmother)
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To: redrock

Why should I let you get away with your slanderous lies?


246 posted on 12/17/2007 10:20:20 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: P-Marlowe

“BTW the “N” word was pretty freely bandied about in private conversations by most Mormons that I knew growing up.”

And by non-Mormons, and by blacks themselves.

BTW the earliest Mormons were in favor of abolishing slavery. One of the reasons they were not liked in Missouri.

http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2007/12/11/hitting-back-in-defense-of-mormonism/


247 posted on 12/17/2007 10:37:06 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: P-Marlowe
Are you suggesting that the Cushite woman was not black? If it was merely a response to a challenge to Moses authority, then why even mention the Cushite woman? Did not Miriam and Aaron speak against Moses "BECAUSE" of the Cushite woman?

I detect a hint of racial prejudice in the response of Miriam and Aaron, unless maybe you can think of some other reason why they didn't like the Cushite woman. Maybe she was too short?

If you're finished with your facetiousness, here's what I wrote again, since you didn't get it the first time:


It's terribly disingenuous to refer to the incident of Moses, his wife, his sister Miriam, and his brother Aaron as one of "racism." That was the initial basis for the chatter against Moses, but more selfish motives emerged immediately thereafter: "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this."
Verse 3 speaks specifically of Moses' humility. Why do you think that was what was noted before the Lord in the cloud confronted Miriam and Aaron? Why do you think that Moses' wife's race was only mentioned at the beginning of the chapter, and never again?

By the way, there are schools of thought that Moses' wife -- Zipporah, daughter of a Midianite priest -- wasn't actually a Cushite, and this was some sort of slanderous charge against Zipporah made by prophetess Miriam out of jealousy (think Rush Limbaugh's "Queen Bee" theory regarding Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi). Others think that perhaps Zipporah had died and that Moses had taken a wife that was undoubtedly a Cushite.

In any event, the primary sin of Miriam (and Aaron) seems to be lack of humility before those being used by God to lead his people. Other examples of the necessity of caution about being abusive of those leading the flock are in the letters of Paul and of Jude.

Does being a black man make you a better Bible interpreter than me? If not, then why would you mention it? What relevance is there in interpreting scripture in the fact that you are a black man?

If you had followed my link, you would not have to ask that question. Try it again.

248 posted on 12/18/2007 12:46:36 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Edward M. Kennedy High School -- Home of the Killer Whales!)
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To: LeGrande
Oh I don't know, killing every man women and child who wasn't an Israeli? Is there anything more racist than that?

Eliminating your ENEMIES isn't 'exactly' racist; now is it!

249 posted on 12/18/2007 4:26:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sandude

Please show your source for this. Your post is full of your own personal opinion which is counter to the facts of the situation. There was pressure put on the church for a time but that pressure had almost completely gone away at the time of the revelation. I'm sure that the pressure would have eventually come back and I'm sure that the church leadership was aware of that.

In case you didn't know, it was David O McKay who first asked the Lord to rescind the ban. That was in the 1950's after he made a trip to South Africa. He was appalled at what he saw there. Nobody knows exactly why the Lord waited until 1978. My own personal feeling is that there were still pockets of racism in the church and the Lord was waiting for peoples hearts to change so that when the ban was lifted that blacks would be truly welcomed.

 

 

"Some are more equal than others."

   (Animal Farm -- George Orwell)


250 posted on 12/18/2007 4:33:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: P-Marlowe
Obviously, if you don't put the pressure on God, he might wait another hundred years before you have any Black Apostles.

It appears that ANOTHER Living Prophet® needs to 'visit' a country where women are mightily oppressed.

Perhaps then GOD would give a revelation to allow WOMEN to hold positions of Authority in the LDS organization.

251 posted on 12/18/2007 4:36:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
I don’t take it.

Well... you should.

252 posted on 12/18/2007 4:36:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
Are you dodging questions again?

THIS question??

Did you send in your note to the Bishop yet?

It sounds like you are just trying to provoke; not get knowledge.

253 posted on 12/18/2007 4:38:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: EverOnward
Many of the rants here on FR against Mormon theology fall under the Straw Argument category.

'Many' might; but MOST don't.

They are factual quotes from the founding people of the LDS organization and they are still in force in that organization.


...but the unknowing are easily deceived.

INDEED!

That's why BIBLE information is given to show the error of LDS theology.

That's why EXACT quotes from leaders in the LDS organization are provided.

254 posted on 12/18/2007 4:42:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redrock
 
 
 
To: redrock
...and you're an asinine twit.

Mom... MOM!

Please; let's play nice!

You KNOW he's not got the Fullness of the Gospel living in his soul; so he's bound to be a bit snippy by being called a liar.

--MormonDude(I'll be right back. I've just received a message from Seven of Nine.)

143 posted on 12/17/2007 8:38:42 AM CST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
 
 
To: Elsie
....actually...I'm Catholic.

But...hey...you've never let the truth get in your way before.....

redrock

241 posted on 12/17/2007 11:01:36 PM CST by redrock ("Better a shack in Heaven...than a Mansion in Hell"----My Grandmother)
 
 
 
 
I have NO idea what you are referring to!!

255 posted on 12/18/2007 5:01:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Eliminating your ENEMIES isn't 'exactly' racist; now is it!

I thought the definition of a racist was that someone who wasn't of your race is your enemy.

256 posted on 12/18/2007 6:36:40 AM PST by LeGrande
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To: Elsie
The Bible is extremely racist. To say otherwise is to admit your ignorance of the contents of the Bible.

Then it should be EXTREMELY easy for you to POST SOME VERSE to show this fact to us who are blind.

CRICKETS.......

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257 posted on 12/18/2007 6:47:41 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (We need a man with a STEEL SPINE in the White House(FRED), not a pandering flip-flopper!)
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To: colorcountry

Did you happen to notice the increase in crimes, rapes, etc have come about during the same time as the influx of HUGE numbers of illegal aliens?

Now, I like Mormons. Just like I like most catholics. I do have a problem with the Mormon leadership coming out all in favor of babysitting a bunch of foreign nationals that should not be here...just like the Catholic leadership did.


258 posted on 12/31/2007 12:53:54 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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