Posted on 12/16/2007 1:01:26 PM PST by greyfoxx39
Kathryn It seems to me that the race issue is where religion and politics most clearly intersect in Romney's case. Like it or not, if Romney becomes the Republican nominee, Democrats will bring up the "Mormon racism" charge again. You can just bet on it. But more immediately, it will be interesting to see what role, if any, it will play in voters' decisions in the primaries. The fact is, it has become a staple of political campaigns for candidates to be asked about their association with institutions that discriminate. There was a huge uproar in the 2000 campaign, for example, about George W. Bush and Bob Jones University. (Although my favorite, if trivial, example was the time Bill Clinton was asked about playing golf at an all-white country club, and he responded, with a completely straight face, that he had only played nine holes.) In any event, it's common practice to ask about country clubs, social groups, schools, etc.
The issue now is whether that kind of question also applies to Romney's church. And the problem, for Romney, is that, to my knowledge at least, he has not said simply that the LDS church was wrong to exclude blacks from the priesthood and top leadership positions before 1978. Voters don't mind it they even like it when a candidate says something in the past was wrong but that now it is right. But today, on "Meet the Press," Romney wouldn't say that.
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i asked about the revelation several weeks ago, when a few of us in the NR Washington bureau met with Mormon Elders M. Russell Ballard and Quentin L. Cook, who had come to Washington to meet with staffers of several publications. (They were concerned about the image of the church; they did not discuss Romney or his candidacy and offered no opinion on it.) When I asked why the church changed position in 1978, the answer was, if I recall correctly, that they did not know. It wasn't a flip answer; they were saying that they could not know why God had given that revelation to Kimball at that particular moment. They were not inclined to say that the church had been wrong before. That's a built-in dilemma of the system; if a church says it is led by revelation, and then says it was wrong, it's kind of like saying God was wrong.
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But...hey...you've never let the truth get in your way before.....
redrock
redrock
You can’t post a single bit of proof about your lies, yet you sound so proud of yourself.
You are disgusting.
redrock
Why should I let you get away with your slanderous lies?
“BTW the “N” word was pretty freely bandied about in private conversations by most Mormons that I knew growing up.”
And by non-Mormons, and by blacks themselves.
BTW the earliest Mormons were in favor of abolishing slavery. One of the reasons they were not liked in Missouri.
http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/2007/12/11/hitting-back-in-defense-of-mormonism/
I detect a hint of racial prejudice in the response of Miriam and Aaron, unless maybe you can think of some other reason why they didn't like the Cushite woman. Maybe she was too short?
If you're finished with your facetiousness, here's what I wrote again, since you didn't get it the first time:
Verse 3 speaks specifically of Moses' humility. Why do you think that was what was noted before the Lord in the cloud confronted Miriam and Aaron? Why do you think that Moses' wife's race was only mentioned at the beginning of the chapter, and never again?
It's terribly disingenuous to refer to the incident of Moses, his wife, his sister Miriam, and his brother Aaron as one of "racism." That was the initial basis for the chatter against Moses, but more selfish motives emerged immediately thereafter: "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this."
By the way, there are schools of thought that Moses' wife -- Zipporah, daughter of a Midianite priest -- wasn't actually a Cushite, and this was some sort of slanderous charge against Zipporah made by prophetess Miriam out of jealousy (think Rush Limbaugh's "Queen Bee" theory regarding Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi). Others think that perhaps Zipporah had died and that Moses had taken a wife that was undoubtedly a Cushite.
In any event, the primary sin of Miriam (and Aaron) seems to be lack of humility before those being used by God to lead his people. Other examples of the necessity of caution about being abusive of those leading the flock are in the letters of Paul and of Jude.
Does being a black man make you a better Bible interpreter than me? If not, then why would you mention it? What relevance is there in interpreting scripture in the fact that you are a black man?
If you had followed my link, you would not have to ask that question. Try it again.
Eliminating your ENEMIES isn't 'exactly' racist; now is it!
Please show your source for this. Your post is full of your own personal opinion which is counter to the facts of the situation. There was pressure put on the church for a time but that pressure had almost completely gone away at the time of the revelation. I'm sure that the pressure would have eventually come back and I'm sure that the church leadership was aware of that.
In case you didn't know, it was David O McKay who first asked the Lord to rescind the ban. That was in the 1950's after he made a trip to South Africa. He was appalled at what he saw there. Nobody knows exactly why the Lord waited until 1978. My own personal feeling is that there were still pockets of racism in the church and the Lord was waiting for peoples hearts to change so that when the ban was lifted that blacks would be truly welcomed.
"Some are more equal than others."
(Animal Farm -- George Orwell)
It appears that ANOTHER Living Prophet® needs to 'visit' a country where women are mightily oppressed.
Perhaps then GOD would give a revelation to allow WOMEN to hold positions of Authority in the LDS organization.
Well... you should.
THIS question??
Did you send in your note to the Bishop yet?
It sounds like you are just trying to provoke; not get knowledge.
'Many' might; but MOST don't.
They are factual quotes from the founding people of the LDS organization and they are still in force in that organization.
...but the unknowing are easily deceived.
INDEED!
That's why BIBLE information is given to show the error of LDS theology.
That's why EXACT quotes from leaders in the LDS organization are provided.
To: redrock
...and you're an asinine twit.
Mom... MOM! Please; let's play nice! You KNOW he's not got the Fullness of the Gospel living in his soul; so he's bound to be a bit snippy by being called a liar. --MormonDude(I'll be right back. I've just received a message from Seven of Nine.) |
To: Elsie....actually...I'm Catholic.But...hey...you've never let the truth get in your way before.....
redrock
I thought the definition of a racist was that someone who wasn't of your race is your enemy.
Then it should be EXTREMELY easy for you to POST SOME VERSE to show this fact to us who are blind.
CRICKETS.......
Did you happen to notice the increase in crimes, rapes, etc have come about during the same time as the influx of HUGE numbers of illegal aliens?
Now, I like Mormons. Just like I like most catholics. I do have a problem with the Mormon leadership coming out all in favor of babysitting a bunch of foreign nationals that should not be here...just like the Catholic leadership did.
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