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Savior or Saboteur? (Clintons' inflict their eternal conjugal psychodrama)
The New York Times ^ | December 23, 2007 | MAUREEN DOWD

Posted on 12/22/2007 11:06:40 PM PST by Liz

--SNIP-- Inside the Bill gang and the Hillary gang, there is panic and perplexity. Is Bill a loyal spouse or a subconscious saboteur? “For the first time since the Marc Rich pardon,” said a friend of the Clintons, “Bill is seriously diminishing his personal standing with the people closest to him.” And certainly he feels that his legacy is tied to her. When Bill gets slit-eyed, red-faced and finger-wagging in defense of Hillary, is he really defending himself, ego in full bloom, against aspersions Obama and Edwards cast on Clintonian politics? Maybe the Boy Who Can’t Help Himself is simply engaging in his usual patterns of humiliating Hillary and lighting an exploding cigar when things are going well. If voting for Obama is a roll of the dice, as Bill suggests, voting for Billary is a sure bet: an endless soap opera.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bjclinton; clinton; democrats; hillary; hillarycare; shamnesty; stophillary
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To: the invisib1e hand
People who partied with him in the clubs up by the UN said he was a scumbag, too

Met a guy who worked at Commerce under Brown who said they had to bring the jaws of life with them on trips to pry him off the women. Total junkie.

21 posted on 12/23/2007 4:44:16 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: the invisib1e hand

Glad you liked the subber.......just a teeny tiny bit of “help” from Maureen (grin).


22 posted on 12/23/2007 4:51:42 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: upchuck
While making a speech Bill used the word “I” 94 times in 10 minutes, while mentioning “Hillary” just seven times. At a London fund-raiser it took him nearly half an hour to mention her.

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23 posted on 12/23/2007 4:57:10 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Ann Archy

Paul O’Neill? Holy Cow!!, How the heck did he manage to do that job AND play right field for the Yankees?

The guy is really AWESOME!!


24 posted on 12/23/2007 5:08:09 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Liz; MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside; Rb ver. 2.0; lesser_satan; Taffini; jdm; countess; ...

***conjugal***

JERRY: Well, at least you probably had some, uh, pretty good make-up sex after.

GEORGE: I didn’t have any sex.

JERRY: You didn’t have make-up sex? How could you not have make-up sex? I mean that’s the best feature of the heavy relationship.

GEORGE: I didn’t have make-up sex.

JERRY: In your situation the only sex you’re going to have better than make-up sex is if you’re sent to prison and you have a conjugal visit.

GEORGE: Yeah, conjugal visit sex. That is happening!


25 posted on 12/23/2007 5:12:33 AM PST by Gamecock (Aaron had what every megachurch pastor craves: a huge crowd that gave freely and lively worship.)
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To: AndrewB

One of nature’s wonders ...


26 posted on 12/23/2007 5:15:38 AM PST by Tax-chick ("The keys to life are running and reading." ~ Will Smith)
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To: Liz

They remind me of two scorpions in a bottle.


27 posted on 12/23/2007 5:19:57 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Liz
Oh WOW, that's perfect! But needs more cowbell cankle.
28 posted on 12/23/2007 5:31:22 AM PST by upchuck (And Senator Clinton's experience is................................. where? What? When?)
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To: AndrewB; Reo; ninonitti
Here's another CZJ-related tidbit: Michael Douglas (her hubby and MD's ex) is now the voice-over announcer for NBC Nightly News.


29 posted on 12/23/2007 5:48:05 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz
Clinton....eternal conjugal psychodrama)

Why do I suddenly have nightmares

30 posted on 12/23/2007 5:52:29 AM PST by Popman
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To: Soliton
I don’t think she likes the guy

Does she even like guys at all? I've always gotten the impression from reading her drivel that she's either a bitter, frigid spinster or a dyke man hater.....

31 posted on 12/23/2007 5:55:10 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Debates? Those weren't no stinkin' debates!)
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To: mkjessup
Merry Christmas, MKJ.


32 posted on 12/23/2007 5:57:41 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: AndrewB

my gosh, that woman is beautiful.

Regards,


33 posted on 12/23/2007 6:41:43 AM PST by Thunder 6
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To: Liz
"Is Bill a loyal spouse or a subconscious saboteur?"

If there was ever a rhetorical question, that's got to be it. Everyone knows the answer to that one by heart by now.


Is he a loyal spouse.
Gimme a break!

34 posted on 12/23/2007 6:48:18 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Liz
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OHhhh WOe is me...
why's everybody always pickin on ME???

35 posted on 12/23/2007 6:59:36 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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To: Chode

MEGLOMANIA

It’s a big word meaning something about ego and a neurotic preoccupation with one’s own self. In lesser representations, it is seen as a need for attention, insecurity around not being recognized, accepted, in the group. You see it in little children sometimes, most times, as a growth process. The child who repeatedly says, “watch me mommy”, is seen as “Normal” just trying to get enough recognition to be sure he/she is okay.

In larger representations it is seen in most social gatherings, the person who talks louder than others, over rides the conversation, wants us to think he’ she is really something....

Gee..who do we know who’s like that?


36 posted on 12/23/2007 7:28:04 AM PST by y6162
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To: Liz
and lighting an exploding cigar

So that's how that happened!!

37 posted on 12/23/2007 7:34:12 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: flowerplough
Without handlers, Bill is little more than ego, feigned empathy, and horn-dog lechery.

I think you are right on this. It has always been my feeling that Billyboy's putative talent was over-rated, given his self-defeating impulses.

38 posted on 12/23/2007 7:44:51 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: AmericaUnited
The truth is that Bill and Hitlery hate each other with a pure passion

I doubt they hate each other. They appear to have a negative bond, which is a mixture of strong attachment and simultaneous incompatibility on the personal level, overridden by a common ambition for which they need each other at the external level.

39 posted on 12/23/2007 7:49:33 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Liz
What?

This is it? This is the "bombshell" that the NYT was gonna drop on the Clinton campaign?

I knew I was right when I thought: Naw, they'd (NYT) never do that to her.

40 posted on 12/23/2007 8:01:59 AM PST by woofer (Earth First! We'll mine the other eight later.)
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