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Michael Barone: Lessons From the Surge [Must Read]
TownHall.com ^ | 12/29/07 | Michael Barone

Posted on 12/28/2007 11:41:33 PM PST by JohnHuang2

There are lessons to be learned from the dazzling success of the surge strategy in Iraq.

Lesson one is that just about no mission is impossible for the United States military. A year ago it was widely thought, not just by the new Democratic leaders in Congress but also in many parts of the Pentagon, that containing the violence in Iraq was impossible. Now we have seen it done.

We have seen this before in American history. George Washington's forces seemed on the brink of defeat many times in the agonizing years before Yorktown. Abraham Lincoln's generals seemed so unsuccessful in the Civil War that in August 1864 it was widely believed he would be defeated for re-election. But finally Lincoln found the right generals. Sherman took Atlanta and marched to the sea; Grant pressed forward in Virginia.

Franklin Roosevelt picked the right generals and admirals from the start in World War II, but the first years of the war were filled with errors and mistakes. Even Vietnam is not necessarily a counterexample. As Lewis Sorley argues persuasively in "A Better War: The Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of America's Last Years in Vietnam," Gen. Creighton Abrams came up with a winning strategy by 1972. South Vietnam fell three years later when the North Vietnamese army attacked en masse, and Congress refused to allow the aid the U.S. had promised.

George W. Bush, like Lincoln, took his time finding the right generals. But it's clear now that the forward-moving surge strategy devised by Gens. David Petraeus and Raymond Odierno has succeeded where the stand-aside strategy employed by their predecessors failed. American troops are surely the most capable military force in history. They just need to be given the right orders.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barone; iraq; lessons; liberalism; michaelbarone; surge
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1 posted on 12/28/2007 11:41:33 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ladyinred; Angel; ..

Michael Barone MEGA PING!!


2 posted on 12/28/2007 11:42:29 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Outstanding article. Thanks for posting. Bottom up BUMP!

(Trickle down annihilation works well on our enemies.)


3 posted on 12/28/2007 11:52:29 PM PST by PGalt
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To: JohnHuang2

*bump* for later


4 posted on 12/28/2007 11:58:58 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: JohnHuang2

Will the Democrats pay a price for their “traitorous” positions?

Who in the MSM will hold them accountable?

Wait, they are one and the same. No foul.


5 posted on 12/29/2007 1:19:45 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Guess what? I'm voting for the Conservative.)
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To: JohnHuang2

“As Lewis Sorley argues persuasively in “A Better War: The Unexamined Victories and Final Tragedy of America’s Last Years in Vietnam,” Gen. Creighton Abrams came up with a winning strategy by 1972.”

People just can’t stand to give Nixon credit for anything, can they?

And now they’re trying to give credit for one of Reagan’s achievements to Charlie Wilson, whoever that was.


6 posted on 12/29/2007 1:20:20 AM PST by dsc
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To: JohnHuang2

FR bookmark , .. and now I may sleep soundly ,.. for a few hours ( (( please don’t read anything into my remark *smirk* )) )


7 posted on 12/29/2007 1:26:18 AM PST by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: JohnHuang2
Excellent piece but.... I think President Bush deserves a lot of personal credit for his perseverance. When everyone else seemed to be abandoning Iraq, he stuck to his guns. He made up his mind to win and that’s precisely what he did. He didn’t use a megaphone to broadcast his intent. He merely kept plowing straight ahead. He would not be deterred or denied. His disregarded his critics. He was single-minded. And HE WAS RIGHT!
8 posted on 12/29/2007 2:02:49 AM PST by Aristotelian ("Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?")
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To: Aristotelian
I think President Bush deserves a lot of personal credit for his perseverance.

I agree with you. Up against (seemingly the whole world), George Bush moved forward. Most people would have caved under the pressure.

9 posted on 12/29/2007 2:41:19 AM PST by marvlus
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To: marvlus

I have not been impressed by Bush’s presidency in general. But I must hand it to him on sticking to his guns on Iraq. Whether we should have invaded in the first place is arguable. But once there, victory was our only option, and Bush knew that.


10 posted on 12/29/2007 2:44:54 AM PST by Aristotelian ("Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?")
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To: JohnHuang2

It would probably amaze us all, just what could have been accomplished, if the country hadn’t had the democraps dragging it down for the last seven years.


11 posted on 12/29/2007 3:07:45 AM PST by RushLake (Democrats/MSM have never met a terrorist they didn't like.)
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To: marvlus

” George Bush moved forward. Most people would have caved under the pressure.”

- - - as George Bush has in other areas (illegals, budget excesses, Saudiphilea)


12 posted on 12/29/2007 3:43:36 AM PST by RoadTest (Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.)
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To: JohnHuang2
While I am loathe to argue with Michael Barone, I believe he is in error with one statement in this essay. I don't have time now to research it, but I'm pretty sure that in the first two years of WW II..nearly 10 one and two stars were relieved of command and send home...

It only goes , howevere, to further Barone's comment..that it takes time to find the right commanders. FDR did NOT have them at the start. The first US effort in the war..the US landings in North Africa..led to a defeat, if not a rout at Kasserine pass. They took very heavy casualties, and the commander was relieved on the spot and sent home in disgrace. Of course, no one at home knew about it until several weeks had past, because of censorship and media cooperation.

A comparable example in Iraq would be if a Marine battalion at Fallujah had taken 50% casualties (KIA/WIA) over several days attempting to retake the city, and untimately failed and had to be pulled back. Imagine what would be going on...

13 posted on 12/29/2007 4:14:21 AM PST by ken5050
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In 1944, 8 Generals were reduced to permenant grade (Col/LTC) and sent home by Eisenhower for not being able to keep their mouth shut about D-Day plans. Fortunately, the Germans thought it was disinformation...

That was just in UK between Jan-Jun 1944.

Plenty of senior officers were relieved for cause in WWII. The military does not hide the fact but, it does not advertise it either...


14 posted on 12/29/2007 4:30:23 AM PST by DJ Elliott
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To: Aristotelian

In 1968, Walter Cronkite declared Viet Nam unwinnable. Lyndon Johnson folded like a window shade.

In 2007, the Drive-By Media declared Iraq unwinnable. George Bush paid them no attention.

Day/Night.


15 posted on 12/29/2007 4:34:31 AM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: abb

harry reid ~ majority leader of the senate declared the war lost.....murtha states the war is unwinable and so does piglosi ~speaker of the house......

the lib/dem msm gives them a pass....

Bush gives them the finger!!!!


16 posted on 12/29/2007 5:02:12 AM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: dsc

This link gives some great background on the Charlie Wilson story and the movie. Scroll down to the item: CHARLIE WILSON AND RONALD REAGAN’S WAR

http://www.tothepointnews.com/


17 posted on 12/29/2007 5:14:46 AM PST by maica (Leftists have faith in government; conservatives believe in people as individuals. Romney '08)
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To: RoadTest

“Saudiphilea”

Good word


18 posted on 12/29/2007 5:15:53 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: maica

From the article:
It was a victory of many people, chief among them of course being Ronald Reagan, for implementing the entire strategy of the Reagan Doctrine targeting Soviet vulnerabilities. Support for anti-Soviet guerrillas in Afghanistan and Nicaragua, for democracy movements in Eastern Europe, was a critical part of that strategy but only a part.

And in that part, Charlie Wilson played a critical role. It is silly for the movie to pretend that Charlie did it by himself without Ronald Reagan, and it is sad for the movie to end on a sour note of blame for the Taliban and Al Qaeda. To understand how Afghanistan ended up with this twin-infestation, again read Gulbuddin and the CIA.

Yet caveats aside, I am so glad this movie was made. It is so much better than the book, which is hopelessly permeated with hyper-liberal prejudice. It is wonderful that the world knows about this extraordinary man, knows what a hero Charlie Wilson is.

==snip==

The moral lesson of the movie should be a very sobering one for the Democrat Party. Charlie Wilson was proudly and unashamedly a Pro-American, Anti-Communist Democrat. His heroism should be a deep embarrassment to the party of Pelosi Galore and Lost Harry Reid, the party who apologizes for America’s existence and has neither the spine nor will to defend her.

The Democrat Party - indeed, America - needs more Charlie Wilsons. I will always have the greatest respect for what he did for our country, and I will always treasure his friendship.


19 posted on 12/29/2007 5:18:14 AM PST by maica (Leftists have faith in government; conservatives believe in people as individuals. Romney '08)
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To: abb
"In 2007, the Drive-By Media declared Iraq unwinnable."

A minor correction...the MSM declared the Iraq war "unwinnable" six months before the first bomb was dropped.

20 posted on 12/29/2007 5:30:31 AM PST by daler
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