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Noble or savage?
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10278703 ^ | 12/19/2007 | not stated

Posted on 12/31/2007 8:30:01 PM PST by dirtboy

The era of the hunter-gatherer was not the social and environmental Eden that some suggest

HUMAN beings have spent most of their time on the planet as hunter-gatherers. From at least 85,000 years ago to the birth of agriculture around 73,000 years later, they combined hunted meat with gathered veg. Some people, such as those on North Sentinel Island in the Andaman Sea, still do. The Sentinelese are the only hunter-gatherers who still resist contact with the outside world. Fine-looking specimens—strong, slim, fit, black and stark naked except for a small plant-fibre belt round the waist—they are the very model of the noble savage. Genetics suggests that indigenous Andaman islanders have been isolated since the very first expansion out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago.

About 12,000 years ago people embarked on an experiment called agriculture and some say that they, and their planet, have never recovered. Farming brought a population explosion, protein and vitamin deficiency, new diseases and deforestation. Human height actually shrank by nearly six inches after the first adoption of crops in the Near East. So was agriculture “the worst mistake in the history of the human race”, as Jared Diamond, evolutionary biologist and professor of geography at the University of California, Los Angeles, once called it?

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1 posted on 12/31/2007 8:30:02 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
How am I supposed to arrive at an accurate assessment with no pics?
2 posted on 12/31/2007 8:33:09 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: CrappieLuck; Diana in Wisconsin; george76

Ping.


3 posted on 12/31/2007 8:33:32 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: kinoxi
How am I supposed to arrive at an accurate assessment with no pics?


4 posted on 12/31/2007 8:37:07 PM PST by dirtboy (Ron Paul - blame America first but still bill her for the shrimp)
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To: girlangler; dirtboy

Gee. Should I farm or should I flip burgers? Decisions, decisions!

Actually, I’m looking for the article, but today I heard that the number of Wisconsin farms owned and run by WOMEN is totally spiking. Wa-Hoo!

Hunt and gather? How cave-man like, LOL! Girls just wanna sew and reap and make a buck, Baby! :)


5 posted on 12/31/2007 8:37:22 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: dirtboy
She'd look pretty noble after a few...
:)
6 posted on 12/31/2007 8:38:23 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: dirtboy

Wasn’t pomoism one of the favored philosophies of the German national socialists?


7 posted on 12/31/2007 8:44:29 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: dirtboy

She’s prettier than Michael “Savage”!


8 posted on 12/31/2007 8:46:09 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

What scale of pretty are you looking at?


9 posted on 12/31/2007 8:47:26 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: SunkenCiv
incipient cultivation ping
10 posted on 12/31/2007 8:47:54 PM PST by kitchen (Any day without a fair tax thread is a good day.)
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To: dirtboy
So was agriculture “the worst mistake in the history of the human race”, as Jared Diamond, evolutionary biologist and professor of geography at the University of California, Los Angeles, once called it?

Jared Diamond is obviously an idiot.
I refuse to end the old year reading such a low note from the intellectual, philosophical and moral basement of humanity.

Maybe next year...

11 posted on 12/31/2007 8:51:03 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: dirtboy

Interesting. Though should have noted enclosure movement as part of reason for rural residents moving to cities to work in factories.


12 posted on 12/31/2007 8:55:19 PM PST by FFranco
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To: dirtboy
...strong, slim, fit, black and stark naked...

Your picture only passes on 3 of 5 criteria.

Keep posting until you get it right.

13 posted on 12/31/2007 8:55:22 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: dirtboy
So was agriculture “the worst mistake in the history of the human race

No, obviously Liberalism was the worst mistake of the human race, and we're still paying dearly for it.

14 posted on 12/31/2007 8:56:56 PM PST by webschooner
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Hey, I am sowing (sewing) and reaping.

Many moons ago I learned how to sew (from my dear departed MIL, God Bless Her), she taught me the old ways. She LIVED the ways of the Foxfire Series, as did many others that influenced my life in those long ago days.

I can make a handmade quilt from rags, and raise a vegetable or two to tide us over till hog killin’ time. Don’t have enough land to raise sweet potatos, but I could (if I needed to) go out and shoot enough protein to tide us over.

Does vegetarisim (sp) make men wimps?

Well, yea.

In my heathen days I went to college, and dated a few of these. I had one guy who actually wore hairspray. He turned me off.

Must of been something in my genes that made me turn off.

I will, and can, kill my own meat,if need be, will grow my own veggies. But I refuse to protect a pansy ass man when it comes down to this.

He can split the wood. If he can’t, he ain’t my man (grin).


15 posted on 12/31/2007 9:00:37 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: CurlyDave
Keep posting until you get it right.

All five guarantees the mods will yank it.

16 posted on 12/31/2007 9:00:59 PM PST by dirtboy (Ron Paul - blame America first but still bill her for the shrimp)
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To: kinoxi

Here ya go:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Sentinelese&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2


17 posted on 12/31/2007 9:04:19 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: dirtboy
From the !Kung in the Kalahari to the Inuit in the Arctic and the aborigines in Australia, two-thirds of modern hunter-gatherers are in a state of almost constant tribal warfare, and nearly 90% go to war at least once a year. War is a big word for dawn raids, skirmishes and lots of posturing, but death rates are high—usually around 25-30% of adult males die from homicide.

What a surprise. Hunters don't just hunt animals - they hunt each other too.

18 posted on 12/31/2007 9:34:15 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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Myth of the Hunter-Gatherer
Archaeology | September/October 1999 Volume 52 Number 5 | Kenneth M. Ames
Posted on 08/13/2004 3:07:48 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1190694/posts


19 posted on 12/31/2007 10:16:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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Human Ancestors: More Gatherers Than Hunters?
Eureka Alert | 11-12-2007 | Carl Marziali
Posted on 11/13/2007 6:11:20 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1925292/posts


20 posted on 12/31/2007 10:17:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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21 posted on 12/31/2007 10:18:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: dirtboy
Great article. It gives a great perspective on the development of the human race. A refreshing read amongst all the chicken little global warming BS that we’re inundated with these days.
22 posted on 12/31/2007 10:23:24 PM PST by Cali Redneck (Life is hard, and so am I)
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To: Cali Redneck; dirtboy; FFranco; vbmoneyspender

Stone Age tribe kills castaways

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/stone-age-tribe-kills-castaways/2006/02/09/1139379613195.html

 

February 9, 2006 - 1:14PM

Police on India's Andamans are planning to sneak onto a forbidden island to retrieve the bodies of two castaways killed by members of an isolated tribe, officials said today.

Fishermen Sunder Raj and Pandit Tiwari fell asleep in their row boat which drifted to the shores of North Sentinal island, 40 kilometres from the Andaman's administrative capital of Port Blair, Dharmendra Kumar, police chief of the Indian Ocean archipelago.

They were killed with bows and arrows by Sentinalese tribespeople when they arrived on the shores of the island, which is out of bounds even to Indian authorities.

The attack occurred some 10 days ago and the "Stone Age" aborigines have buried the pair in separate shallow graves next to their boat from where police hope to retrieve the bodies.

"Right now, it is impossible. There'll be casualties on both sides," said Kumar.

"Right now, they are coming out in large numbers and so let things cool down and once these tribals move to the island's other end we'll try and sneak in and bring back the bodies," the police chief told AFP by telephone from Port Blair.

Relatives of the slain fishermen were taken by government boats and shown the two graves through binoculars, said B S Negi, Andaman's chief civilian administrator, adding the area was still surrounded by 20 naked Sentinalese.

Kumar's plan if executed is likely to be criticised by environmental groups who accuse the authorities of failing to protect the archipelago's five aboriginal groups who have lived on the island cluster for 60,000 years.

"It will be crazy if the police land on the island. They will be condemned by the whole world," warned Samir Achorya, founder of Society of Andaman and Nicobar Ecology environmental group.

Achorya said the two slain men were poaching lobsters and crabs in the off-limit waters of Sentinal.

"These two were petty criminals and have been imprisoned many times so we don't know what the police will gain by retrieving their rotting corpses from the island, which is the legal exclusive preserve of the aborigines," he said.

Survival International, an international pressure forum for near-extinct tribes, accused the archipelago's administration of not doing enough to prevent fishing boats entering the island's waters, which are even forbidden to naval ships.

"These tragic deaths could have been avoided if authorities had been enforcing the law," forum director Stephen Corry said in a statement.

Beside the Sentinalese, four other Stone Age tribes -- the 99-member Onge, 350-member Shompens, 39 of the almost extinct Andamanese and 350 Jarawas --- live on the Andamans.

Only a handful died in the tsunami waves which lashed the archipelago on December 26, 2004, killing some 3,500 people in the Andamans. Another 5,000 are still listed as missing.

 

A military reconnaissance helicopter surveying a tsunami shipwreck near the island strayed too close to its shores last year and received a volley of arrows, one of which pierced the cockpit glass narrowly missing its startled pilot.

AFP

 


23 posted on 12/31/2007 10:36:24 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: kinoxi
Voyeur asks. voyeur gets.

http://www2.db.dk/pe/images/Andaman/andaman-2.jpg

24 posted on 12/31/2007 10:41:39 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (<I>)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Bet she cleans up nice


25 posted on 12/31/2007 10:46:03 PM PST by Cali Redneck (Life is hard, and so am I)
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To: dirtboy
So was agriculture “the worst mistake in the history of the human race”, as Jared Diamond, evolutionary biologist and professor of geography at the University of California, Los Angeles, once called it? Yes ....the bigest mistake, without agriculture we could have invented "The Tenured University Professor" much, much earlier.
26 posted on 12/31/2007 11:35:46 PM PST by Greg67
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To: dirtboy

“Farming brought a population explosion, protein and vitamin deficiency, new diseases and deforestation. “

Maybe, maybe not. But for sure it brought —

BEER.


27 posted on 01/01/2008 1:26:23 AM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: kinoxi
> How am I supposed to arrive at an accurate assessment with no pics?


28 posted on 01/01/2008 3:16:37 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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