Posted on 12/31/2007 8:52:38 PM PST by Spiff
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Has any other candidate really fought for any of the tough issues?....I didn’t think so.
They have spewed the words, but Romney is the only one who has really fought these issues.
People trash him on being pro gay marriage....a total lie. Romney is the only candidate that has actually lobbied for a bill to make marriage between a man and a woman, the only option. It was defeated in congress.
One of the things I liked about Romney work in Mass, was he helped untangle a plethora of gun laws, simplified it and made it better for the gun owner. It took courage and guts, on this and many other issues.
Do you have any pictures from where he bought flyer's for the gay weekend get together?
Are a copy of the letter of his NRA endorsement when he ran for governor? :^)
From Factcheck.com and Huckabee supporter
Romney on Huckabee
December 13, 2007
His ad strains to create black-and-white contrasts from blurry shades of gray.
Summary
An ad by Romney strains the facts in attempting to portray a stark contrast between him and Huckabee.
The ad says both Romney and Huckabee are “pro-life,” which is true now but glosses over Romney’s recent conversion.
The ad says “the difference” between the two is that Romney “vetoed in-state tuition for illegal immigrants” while Huckabee supported it. But Romney’s immigrant-bashing stance is also recent. In 2004 he said, “I hate the idea” of making college unaffordable for children of illegal immigrants.
Analysis
The ad began airing throughout Iowa this week. In form it is a straightforward “comparative” ad, focusing on the two candidates’ stands on the issues. But the picture it presents is the result of some political Photoshopping. The result: an ad whose contrasts are far sharper than we see in real life.
In it, an announcer lauds former Massachusetts Gov. Romney and former Arkansas Gov. Huckabee as “two good family men” who are “both pro-life” and oppose same-sex marriage. It says “the difference” between the two is on immigration, reminding voters that Huckabee supported in-state tuition rates for children of undocumented immigrants, and stating that Romney vetoed a similar bill in Massachusetts.
Choice: The Record
Mitt Romney: I’m Mitt Romney and I approved this message.
Announcer: Two former governors…two good family men…Both pro-life…both support a constitutional amendment protecting traditional marriage…
The difference?
Mitt Romney stood up, and vetoed in-state tuition for illegal aliens…opposed driver’s licenses for illegals.
Mike Huckabee? Supported in-state tuition benefits for illegal immigrants. Huckabee even supported taxpayer-funded scholarships for illegal aliens.
On immigration, the choice matters.
The Minister and the Convert
The ad presents a too-sharp focus at the start when it implies that Romney and Huckabee have identical records on abortion.
Announcer: Two former governors … two good family men … Both pro-life.
It’s true that both Huckabee and Romney oppose abortion – now. But Huckabee was pro-life while he was governor. Romney, not so much. Don’t take our word for it. Here’s Romney at a September debate in Iowa:
Romney: I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. I’ve said that time and time again. I’ve changed my position.
We don’t begrudge Romney the right to change his mind, and he’s been open about the fact that his position has changed. But many Iowa voters may still be unaware of that, and this ad implies that there’s no difference between these two candidates on abortion. That’s a stretch.
Let Them Pick Lettuce
The second half of the ad contrasts the positions of the two on immigration:
Announcer: Mitt Romney stood up, and vetoed in-state tuition for illegal aliens … opposed driver’s licenses for illegals. Mike Huckabee? Supported in-state tuition benefits for illegal immigrants. Huckabee even supported taxpayer-funded scholarships for illegal aliens.
It’s true, as we pointed out previously, that a plan Huckabee supported would have granted in-state tuition rates and eligibility for scholarships to any student who had attended an Arkansas public high school for at least three years, regardless of immigration status. It’s also true that Romney vetoed a similar bill in 2004. But Romney’s illegal immigrant bashing is of fairly recent vintage.
In 2004, the Boston Globe reported that Romney was reluctant to veto the tuition proposal – and not at all the certain, sure-footed decision maker portrayed in the ad. At the time, Romney said:
Romney (June 2004): I hate the idea of in any way making it more difficult for kids, even those who are illegal aliens, to afford college in our state. But equally, perhaps a little more than equally, I do not want to create an incentive to do something which is illegal.
Romney wasn’t a hardliner on immigration until late in his tenure as governor. As we have written, he took no action to punish the “sanctuary cities” that he now rails against. And while he boasts that he authorized state troopers to enforce federal immigration law, that order came at the end of his term, never went into effect and was overturned by his successor.
None of the specifics presented here are false, but the ad presents a black-and-white contrast that doesn’t exist in reality.
– by Joe Miller
Sources
Arkansas 85th General Assembly, Session 1. “HB1525: Access to PostSecondary Education Act of 2005.”
“Chapter 149 of the Acts of 2004.” 25 June 2004. The 185th General Court of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 11 December 2007.
Greenberger, Scott S. and Raphael Lewis. “Romney vetoes $108.5m in budget.” Boston Globe 26 June 2004.
This guy is making me dizzy. At least he has moved far enough that it is time to explain that "arms" includes more than just "firearms". As fast as he is moving, he will probably be recognizing this around Wednesday morning.
Apparently, though, Romney would sign a law banning machine guns. He doesn't explicitly state it, but one can only presume that he would allow confiscation of those that are in circulation, since he favors further limitations on a weapon that now is illegal to manufacture.
Thank you Spiff good report!:)
oh and I forgot to mention I live in Arkansas.... Gov. Huckabee was the best Governor Arkansas has ever had! He is the only Governor I know who has a concealed carry license and he was ENDORSED offically by NRA every time!
The writer is putting word in willards mouth, he has yet to define what weapons of unusual lethality are. Guess he's still consulting his attorney's on that spin.
What’s really funny is that I’ve spent the last week carefully answering fellow 2nd amendment supporters. Whenever they complain that Romney supports a ban on “weapons of unusual lethality”, I’ve asked them whether their candidate is pushing to lift the ban on such weapons.
Not ONE Of them have answered the question. Some seem oblivious to the thought that there are weapons that are banned that could be permitted.
But they insist it’s why they won’t vote for Romney.
So far as I can tell, there is NO candidate for president who is pledging to lift the ban on weapons like machine guns. I’d like to see someone bring it up and discuss it, but our “solidly pro-2nd-amendment” candidates aren’t doing it.
Romney’s strong statement in this regard should help him. I hadn’t even thought about the fact that when Bush promised to sign an extension of AWB, he was simply pledging to maintain existing law.
And now Romney pledges to do the same, which means that if there is no NEW AWB ban passed before he takes office, the 2nd amendment folks have NOTHING to worry about.
Sometimes Romney is actually TOO honest. If he had said he didn’t support any ban on weapons, I doubt too many people would have said he was lying because he wasn’t ending the existing ban on machine guns.
But he couldn’t say he didn’t support any ban, because he does support the existing ban on hand grenades and such.
It’s one of the things I like about Romney. When he could have done the easy thing, vetoed the Ma. AWB ban, built up his “credibility”, but left the gun owners in his state much worse off, he chose instead to work with the NRA to pass a BETTER bill. The gun owners won, but he left himself open to the false attacks that he’s a “gun-grabber”.
You need to stop spreading that rumor the he was endorsed by the NRA. Romney’s camp has clearly said they did NOT get the NRA endorsement, and I don’t understand why you keep repeating that he did.
Mitt Romney, with no constitutional or legal authority or compulsion to do so, instituted gay marriage in Massachusetts.
Mitt Romney signed a permanent assault weapons ban, saying, "Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."
Mitt Romney appointed far more non-Republicans than Republicans (of any stripe) to the judicial bench, including radical gay activists.
Mitt Romney's administration brought about the near-total homosexualization of state government and the public schools.
Mitt Romney signed socialized medicine into law, complete with taxpayer-funded abortions.
Mitt Romney sacrificed the state GOP on the altar of his own presidential ambition, leaving it in an utter shambles, with more Green Party candidates on the statewide ballot than Republicans.
“The writer is putting word in willards mouth, he has yet to define what weapons of unusual lethality are.”
“These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
Factcheck.com is a George Soros-run web site.
Romney’s ad is only “false” if you don’t comprehend what the word “true” means.
Romney is pro-life, and governed pro-life throughout his term as governor. In all decisions within his power as governor of a liberal state, he made pro-life decisions. And he is pro-life now.
And whether Romney hated doing it or not, Romney actually DID veto in-state tuition for illegals, while Huckabee pushed it. Huckabee actually tries to dismiss his support by noting that his legislature overturned his liberal tendencies in this matter.
I guess if a true ad makes you look bad, you have to pretend there’s something wrong with it.
Huckabee should stick to positive campaign messages, he’s really bad at his negative attacks.
"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people." - Mitt Romney
He keeps repeating it because he watched him say it on national television.
And your BS can’t change that.
Yes, he supports the EXISTING ban. If he had said he didn’t support a ban, someone would have probably called him a liar because he supports the existing ban on machine guns and grenade launchers.
Which, btw, it would be nice if we had a candidate who could effectively argue that we should NOT have a ban on machine guns.
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