Obama, Huckabee Lead Final Iowa Poll

KWWL ^ | 12-31-2008 | Unknown

[glmjr]

Saving the Republican Party

Our party can not survive unless we adhere to our basic conservative principles and nominate a person whose values lie in those principles and one that all Republicans will support.   If we fail, history will record the death of the Republican party as occurring during the caucus primaries of 2008.  This is not speculation on my part, but the opinion of many other experts in political science.  Many republicans and independents would either vote for a democrat or abstain, rather than vote for anything less than a person with "true conservative" values.

Take a closer look at the candidates

         Rudy Giuliani is intelligent and has proven himself to be capable as mayor of New York City, however Rudy is a liberal in every sense of the word.  He is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-gun control.  I just can't vote for someone who "cross dresses" and marches in gay pride parades.  He is liberal, no other way to put it.  He would not represent the values of the Republican party and would not garner the support of all Republicans by any stretch of the imagination. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Mitt Romney is sharp, intelligent and on the face seems to be a good candidate to save the party.  If you look closer you will find that in the past few years he has supported sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, supported pro-choice on the abortion issue, supported gay marriages and was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union.  Mitt's Mormon religion is not a factor and should not be a factor in America.  Mitt may have made a real change as he has stated and may have come to embrace a conservative views on the issues, but he'll have to prove it to me AND that may take years.  Mitt might be make a good president for the republican party one day, but not in 2008.  Mitt should wait a few years and give us the proof we need that in fact he is a "real conservative" as he says he is. The Republican Party would not be united behind Mitt in 2008, due to  his religion.  This is a shame , but a fact.  We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 if Mitt was nominated.

            Mike Huckabee is a good speaker, probably a nice guy and I'm sure an excellent preacher.  Mike is conservative on only two issues, abortion and marriage. He is a populist liberal on all other important issues.  His popularity  base is evangelicals who can't seem to separate religion from electing the leader of the free world.  .  He was even endorsed by the Democratic governor of Ohio, who said that he reflected Democratic liberal views as well as the other Democratic candidates.  He has even went so far as to criticize  President Bush, calling his foreign policy "bunker mentality".  Huckabee is a Democrat running as a republican, no other way to put it.  He would divide the republican party and cause a division from which we could not recover.  He is more dangerous to the republican party than having a democrat elected.  Probably the most dangerous thing about Huckabee is his naivetie on how to deal  foreign policy and the threats facing our nation today.  To put it bluntly, he is ignorant on foreign affairs and the part the United States plays as being the premier world superpower and bastion of freedom.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

        John McCain is a true American hero and I honor and respect him for all he has given in the service of his country during the Viet Nam war.  John is a conservative on most issues, but John tends to flip -flop on the issues.  Last year he and the despicable Edward Kennedy were two of the main players in the Amnesty Bill that Pres. Bush was pushing down the throats of the American people.  Thank God the people spoke up and the bill was defeated.  If McCain was the nominated and elected I have no doubts that he would revive that very bill and the next time it may pass.  I don't trust him to stop illegal immigration and therefore he gets "thumbs down" from me.  He also tends to be a little "hot headed" at times.  I'm not sure we need an emotional "hot head" with his finger on the button, if you know what I mean.  The Republican party would not unite behind McCain due to a lack of trust.  We would  loose to the Democrats in 2008 .

         Ron Paul...can you say "nut case"....Ron has a libiterian view of what the world and the US should be like.  He is so far off having "true conservative" values, he is not worth discussion.  The fringe radicals seem to like his message , much the way people who bought in to Ross Perot did some years ago.  Ron's idea of US foreign policy is for the US to withdraw from everywhere and become an isolationist country and "everybody would leave us alone"  Total BS.  Ron could not unite the party, in fact he would cause a split.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Duncan Hunter..... A "true conservative" in every sense of the word.  Duncan is strong on all conservative issues, especially illegal immigration.  Duncan could unite the party behind him.  Our party would have someone that all republicans could support.  The liberal media has failed to get behind Duncan, which is what should be expected.  They would prefer a republican candidate , like Huckabee, which would divide our party and be easier for the democrats to defeat next November.  Duncan gets a   "thumbs up" from me.

       Fred Thompson.  Fred is the only candidate that is conservative on all issues.  He is a Federalist, meaning that he is a supporter of states rights and less government.  Fred is the candidate that there are absolutely no negatives.  He has never flipped his position on any issue.  Fred is the one candidate that would appeal to every Republican.  Ron Paul supporters might be the exception, but most of them are libertarian and nothing short of a revolutionary would please them anyway.  Fred is for lower taxes, stronger military, anti abortion, anti gay-marriage, stopping illegal immigration and less government involvement in our lives, all main stay issues of the Republican Party.  Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.

 

Just the Facts... check them out for yourself.  America awaits your decision.

[glmjr]

SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S

AMNESTY BILL FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

Recently, John McCain did what may be unfairly called a flip-flop and admitted the American public was opposed to amnesty and withdrew his support of it reluctantly perhaps to save his campaign for President

                                                         

Senator John McCain who possesses many fine qualities not the least of which is service to country in uniform and incredible suffering in defense of this nation,  supported amnesty in the form of legislation defeated in Congress last summer largely in part because of the massive outrage expressed by citizens that is credited for rendering the Congressional phone system inoperative during the session.    .

The illegal alien problem is the fault of the US government. It created the problem by refusing to fund adequate border security. It has ignored the Constitution and has not followed existing law.

                  
McCain held hands with the liberal Senator Edward Kennedy, (D-Ma)
in support of illegal immigration less than a year ago .  Now he's flip flopped.

What are we to believe?
If he's elected will he change his mind again?

    

 

 

 

 

 

[glmjr]

 

Giuliani  = Liberal

Has our Party gone the way of the dinosaurs?
Have we lost our values?

If we elect a man who supports gay rights and is pro-choice, we can no longer call ourselves conservative.  Have we sunk so low that we would elect a person who dresses in drag?  Marches in gay pride parades?   Giuliani is a liberal running as a conservative.  He's pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, and pro-gay.  He is intelligent and has governed New York City successfully, BUT he is not a true conservative by any measure.  Conservatives wake up?
God help us if we elect a liberal.

Giuliani in drag

 

 

Giuliani in drag

[glmjr]

Democratic Governor Endorses Mike Huckabee

Instead we have conservatives lining up behind Mike Huckabee because he agrees with them on two issues - gay marriage and abortion - neither of which the president can do much about. And all the while they ignore his liberal history as governor of Arkansas. If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

It seems Mr. Strickland, who typically racked up a 95% rating from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action during his 16 years in Congress, has discovered a kindred spirit in Mr. Huckabee. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer last Sunday that Mr. Huckabee is a "combination of conservative views in some ways, but very, almost liberal views in other ways." Mr. Strickland concluded: "Of all the Republican candidates, Mr. Huckabee would be my personal choice."

NOW,,, THERE SHOULD BE NOT DOUBT IN YOUR MIND....HUCKABEE IS LOVED BY DEMOCRATS.

God save us if he is actually nominated by the Republican party, or should I say "former" Republican party ..if that actually occurs. 

YOUR CHOICE                           This                         OR                                   This. 

                                                        

NEITHER IS A PRETTY PICTURE

[MichiganWoodsman]

Bush bashing

Can you fault anybody for that? Bush has become the worst President in Republican history. Other than Carter, he's been the worst president in modern history. Sure, he's had a few good moments over eight long years (almost all of them in his first term) such as Supreme court nominations and first round of tax cuts, but then his soft spine with the media turned to liquid and he hasn't been able to sell water to a dehydrated man in the middle of the Sonoran desert (unless he's a Mexican border crosser, of course).

[MichiganWoodsman]

Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.

YOU ARE DREAMING! And, I wish your dream could come true. If Thompson had lived up to my original expectations, I would be all over stumping for him at this exact minute. But, he's turned out to be a horrible candidate with great ideas, just like Hunter. OF THE WINNABLE CANDIDATES, Huckabee is the most conservative and winnable at the same time.

[Kevmo]

That’s a pretty good post. One or 2 things I would ask about. Fred has never flipped his position on any issue? What about CFR? He originally helped SPONSOR the bill, now he puts as much distance behind it as he can. And on immigration, Hunter’s criticism of Thompson over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd

[9YearLurker]

Hello MichiganWoodsman,

My man Fred’s not a perfect candidate, but your deeming Huckabee either conservative or winnable really makes curious as to how you come to that perspective.

In my book, Huckabee is the greatest gift to the Dems of the ‘plausible’ five, followed by Giuliani, then Mitt, then McCain, then Fred. I’d probably put them in the same order for conservatism as well.

Other than on the right-to-life issue, Huckabee reminds my of your run-of-the-mill liberal, intent on showing his virtue by how much he can impose by government fiat and pay for by the taxpayers’ funds.

I really am curious as to your line of thinking—clearly you’re not the only one thinking that way right now!—if you’d be willing to explain a little more how you come to that conclusion.

Thanks and Happy New Year,

9YearLurker

[Global2010]

Just saw Obama with Oprah I could not listen to long.

To much Obama trying to pull at the crowds heartstrings.

The thing I did notice maybe it is just me but has Obama all of a sudden had a voice change to a more Southern Black Preacher sounding voice?

I never noticed that heavy drawl before.

Anyone else notice the change?

[MichiganWoodsman]

I appreciate your polite disagreement, there has been little of that lately on FR.

I wish that Thompson or Hunter were better candidates. I agree with them on most issues; I agree with them more than I agree with Huckabee. But, we have the general election to look forward to and, unfortunately, we don't have a superstar conservative like Newt Gingrich or Rush Limbaugh running for President. So, out of the winnable candidates - McCain, Abortiani, or Huckabee - I pick Huckabee.

[deport]

What % of Iowa’s delegates are apportioned to winner take all?
What % of Iowa’s delegates are apportioned to winners of each Iowa Congressional district?

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Iowa is a strange duck in that it is a caucus state and things aren’t written in stone and depends upon each caucus event up the chain until you get to the final events in mid June, 2008. They have 40 delegates total, 15 come from the 5 CD [5X3], 12 bonus, 3 at Party, 10 at large....

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/IA-R.phtml
a good place to get info

[giotto]

has Obama all of a sudden had a voice change to a more Southern Black Preacher sounding voice?

Yes! I just heard a soundbyte on the hourly radio news and wondered who it was. I was surprised to learn that it was Obama. I guess his focus groups have been hammering him for his uppity ivy league accent.

[SunkenCiv]

Nader throws support to Edwards
Politico | Dec 31, 2007 | David Paul Kuhn
Posted on 01/01/2008 2:37:17 PM EST by Lorianne
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1946837/posts

[9YearLurker]

Thanks for the explanation, MichiganWoodsman, so our differences are on our assessments of electability. We at least have similar concerns on the field overall!

Cheers.