Posted on 01/04/2008 6:23:42 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084
The National Smoking Day went well in England as festive multitudes disobeyed fraud-based antismoking laws. More information is coming in as we write. We will keep you posted as we resume regular publication next week.
Of course, had Anti forces succeeded in quashing the British event, there would be press releases and coverage galore in the mainstream media. Instead, widespread disobedience was successful and vaunted attempts at a crackdown were not, thus Anti and her media minions have nothing to say. Kowtowing media must show that they are making their best effort to suppress any and all information favourable to smokers, they must not indicate that smokers are getting sufficiently organized to make prohibition fail, so their silence is indeed golden in our eyes. The people are awakening to the hateful menace of antismoking, they are disgusted, they are resisting. That is what is happening and this shall continue.
Anti calls on the press at her convenience but she can never resist plain raving. Our British friends have forwarded to us an item of hate mail we'll share with you here. This was sent to the National Smoking Day e-mail address by a “gentleman” (so to speak) at 11:00 PM on the 31st of December, while Brits throughout the nation proudly and happily broke the law by smoking in public places. The letter oozes with the "hate juice" that the “public health” scum has managed to distil in the most weak-minded members of the public, thanks to false information on the consequences of smoking on health. “Public health” delights in providing excuses for hatred.
The letter's juvenile title reads: What a bunch of retards you people are
And the author proceeds (including a web reference to FORCES):
"I guess what they say about smokers is right, smokers don't care about anybody except for their addictive drug. I hope you smokers end up in jail where you belong do you have at least any considerate for non smokers, why should non smokers have to breathe in your smoke it is your smoke and not theirs. You people are sad for sure and you will not get anywhere at all like you think you will. Also people making these laws are not Nazis like this website has but I guess smoker will call other people Nazis. Don't forget Nazis killed a lot of people and people making these laws are trying to protect non smokers. Smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people so you can actually say smokers are the ones closer to Nazis. This is a war against smokers and this will continue also like it or not smokers are losing this battle."
Naturally enough, all the stereotypes of the Nazi mind-set are present in this letter that says that “public health” does not take its ideology from the Nazi era, which it most certainly does, as a matter of well documented fact. First of all, “smokers don’t care”, very much as it was said that Jews “did not care” about using their capital to exploit people. Second, one can see that the freedom to choose between smoking and non-smoking places is not even considered, for this would remove the justification for hatred. Third is another essential element to justify hatred: the junk science, the same methods beloved of eugenic social engineers, past and present. It is crystal clear that the dangers of passive smoking are a fraud – but it is a fraud that this reader – and what he represents – desperately needs, the only alternative being realisation that he and his ilk are just a bunch of hateful bastards.
From that stems the accusation that “smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people” while not even one death can be demonstrated to be caused by active smoking, let alone "passive smoking," a prohibitionist device that puts the "fatal glass of beer" of America's alcohol prohibition era to shame. The writer then typically mixes up non-smokers with pathological antismokers like himself, while there is a profound difference between the two: the non-smoker is simply a person who does not smoke, while the antismoker is the fascistic bastard who hates. Then, in fact, comes the confirmation, and the only truthful thing in this letter: “This is a war against smokers and this will continue”.
We know that well – and we can reply that this is now also a war against antismokers and it will continue until their putrid species goes back into the social and ideological sewers where it has belonged since, during, and long before the era of the Third Reich. Hate-based campaigns have raged throughout history. Today fanatical antismoking, like the Nazis early in WWII, advances apace, this is surely true – but it is also true that, the more that troops advance, the more they need supply lines and force dilution to maintain the conquered territories.
Recall what happened to Hitler’s forces when they got close enough to Moscow to see its lights. Their support system collapsed, and we know the rest: the oh-so "pure" and "superior", racist and healthist Nazis were wiped from the face of the Earth. In a different kind of war, American alcohol prohibition expanded to total control – but after many decades of anti-alcohol proselytizing, fear-mongering, hate-mongering, indoctrination, lobbying, and tyrannizing, it was brought down in a short 14 years. Carrie Nation always was a sick joke. People came to see that, they resisted, they won.
So, bank on this, hateful antismokers: we will wear antitobacco out, we will keep resisting until the human and financial costs of oppressing us will be impossible to bear. The antismoking cartel can keep stealing public money but there will never be enough money, frauds, propaganda, or tyranny, to extinguish the human spirit. It is time to deal with the institutional problem and we will. Whatever it takes, we shall expose the frauds, and the fraudsters, we shall always smoke right in their faces, and when we have firmly and finally humiliated today's properly-called antismoking Nazis, we shall do to them what they are doing to us.
We gladly say to all antismokers who care to visit FORCES: what is rightfully ours will be legally ours again, and oh, just by the way – we hate you too.
Good one! :-)
Illogical statement.
Grow a pair and summon up the intestinal fortitude to quit the smelly and obtrusive habit.
Great commentary to win and influence friends and opponents.
Your family and associates will thank you.
No, they won't.
As some one who smoked and drank his way through 45 years of home building and remodeling with a few major projects thrown in on the side, I can only tell ya what the engineer who actually built Seabrook Nuclear Station told me about thirty years ago: "Metesky, there's never been a project built anywhere in the world without drugs and alcohol, and by Jesus we're not gonna start here!"
I have little patience with collectivists whose frame of reference leads to discerning disagreement by an individual as a "lobby".
I am a former smoker, quit now over 20 years.
Get outta here. None of the signs are there.
Was it “hard”? Yes. Do I believe that it was beneficial? Yes, in many ways. Food tastes better, my clothing, vehicles and home do not reek of tobacco smoke and I have not aged prematurely, as have some of my relatives who still light up. My general health is good and I am not wasting money on tobacco products. I have the time, money and stamina to pursue my hobby of woodworking...
As a sign of respect for you as an individual, please allow me to be perfectly forthright with you on this issue: who cares?
as I remodel my house, one room at a time.
I'm sixty years old. This past summer and fall, I helped haul sheetrock up two flights of stairs, then taped, mudded and sanded said sheetrock (3 rooms). After which I primed and painted said rooms. Been smoking for 50 years.
If you are basing it on something entirely different, would you tell us readers the history of your screen name?
"Apeosis" was taken.
:-)
I now realize that your coarseness and crudity knows no bounds. I think it is a defensive, defeatist pathology. You have the makings of a stalker. Do not go down that road.
Get some help.
Innuendo, claims of victimhood and accusations of "stalking" when it was you who initiated the private mail, to which I replied exactly once.
And, as a good Stalinist, disagreement with you is characterized as prima facie evidence of mental illness.
I would propose that it is you in need of help, you coward.
WTF? A true "conservative" doesn't believe in a Police State kicking in the doors of your business and telling you that you can no longer allow adults to engage in smoking. I'm sure there's something you're "addicted" to that I don't like, but I don't get the government to forbid it. You "don't like" smoking. Fine. There are millions of places that are smoke free that you can enjoy. Nobody is "forced" to go into a pub that allows smoking.
Ok, I’ll play your game. Should pubs be allowed? After all, there are alcoholics drinking there. Since your premise is addiction should be forbidden by the government, do you support banning alcohol? Why should I live in a society that would allow that? I don’t want to smell alcohol or listen to loud music. Therefore nobody should be allowed to have a business that permits this.
Now that this is winding down, what can be learned from the 100+ posts?
The Freepers who are observers of these goings on will either be convinced that the aggressive smokers have won the day by their brilliant display of empirical evidence or that they have been boorish participants at best. Let each reader decide for himself.
In the long run, I believe that the smokers will be the losers. Society is moving away from toleration of this intrusive addiction. In to the breach rush the opportunist politicians.
When local and state initiatives are proffered to restrict smoking, most will pass, with passive or active support from conservatives, including many Freepers.
The failure of the more level headed smokers on this thread to reign in the crazies will continue to hurt your cause. Be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
Would you care to elaborate on your disagreement with the "flag and country" crowd? For example, could you explain why it is necessary and proper for the state to prohibit smoking on private property, as opposed to letting property owners set their own policies and leaving consumers free to choose?
You can respond by private mail if you'd prefer.
ROTFLOL Well done, dorothy. I considered “apogee” but rejected that as the height of speculative arrogance on my part. Now I’m off to see if “logorrheic” is a real word and what it means if it is. ;^)
The Crazies? Hey bub, you're the one using police power to ban activities that you don't like. Please give us an example where "crazy smokers" force people to do anything.
It is not often that I see emotions so warp reason. You are in a class of your own.
That would be quite a stinging rebuke if your first post to this thread didn't fit it to a T.
To: Eric Blair 2084Why celebrate an addiction?
Grow a pair and summon up the intestinal fortitude to quit the smelly and obtrusive habit.
Your family and associates will thank you.
14 posted on 01/04/2008 8:36:47 PM MST by Sursum Corda
Gotta go, denizens of the smoky reaches. Its been fun but life calls.
Thank you to those who contacted me privately, both pro and con. Frank, honest and respectful discussion is alive on FreeRepublic, even though much of it must be carried on by Freepmail.
A wee bit fond of yourself,huh?
Quitting smoking sure didn’t make you humble.
What’s next for you,sanctification?
Anti-smoking Nazis = What?
I believe the word may have been “apotheosis.”
Regards,
Or what? Tobacco taxes will be raised? Smoking will be banned in public places, private businesses and private residences? You are extremely uninformed and behind the curve if you think that will happen. It already has.
Perhaps you are entertaining delusions that tobacco will be outlawed altogether?
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