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British Smokers Triumph As Anti Rages On
Forces.org ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 6:23:42 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

The National Smoking Day went well in England as festive multitudes disobeyed fraud-based antismoking laws. More information is coming in as we write. We will keep you posted as we resume regular publication next week.

Of course, had Anti forces succeeded in quashing the British event, there would be press releases and coverage galore in the mainstream media. Instead, widespread disobedience was successful and vaunted attempts at a crackdown were not, thus Anti and her media minions have nothing to say. Kowtowing media must show that they are making their best effort to suppress any and all information favourable to smokers, they must not indicate that smokers are getting sufficiently organized to make prohibition fail, so their silence is indeed golden in our eyes. The people are awakening to the hateful menace of antismoking, they are disgusted, they are resisting. That is what is happening and this shall continue.

Anti calls on the press at her convenience but she can never resist plain raving. Our British friends have forwarded to us an item of hate mail we'll share with you here. This was sent to the National Smoking Day e-mail address by a “gentleman” (so to speak) at 11:00 PM on the 31st of December, while Brits throughout the nation proudly and happily broke the law by smoking in public places. The letter oozes with the "hate juice" that the “public health” scum has managed to distil in the most weak-minded members of the public, thanks to false information on the consequences of smoking on health. “Public health” delights in providing excuses for hatred.

The letter's juvenile title reads: What a bunch of retards you people are

And the author proceeds (including a web reference to FORCES):

"I guess what they say about smokers is right, smokers don't care about anybody except for their addictive drug. I hope you smokers end up in jail where you belong do you have at least any considerate for non smokers, why should non smokers have to breathe in your smoke it is your smoke and not theirs. You people are sad for sure and you will not get anywhere at all like you think you will. Also people making these laws are not Nazis like this website has but I guess smoker will call other people Nazis. Don't forget Nazis killed a lot of people and people making these laws are trying to protect non smokers. Smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people so you can actually say smokers are the ones closer to Nazis. This is a war against smokers and this will continue also like it or not smokers are losing this battle."

Naturally enough, all the stereotypes of the Nazi mind-set are present in this letter that says that “public health” does not take its ideology from the Nazi era, which it most certainly does, as a matter of well documented fact. First of all, “smokers don’t care”, very much as it was said that Jews “did not care” about using their capital to exploit people. Second, one can see that the freedom to choose between smoking and non-smoking places is not even considered, for this would remove the justification for hatred. Third is another essential element to justify hatred: the junk science, the same methods beloved of eugenic social engineers, past and present. It is crystal clear that the dangers of passive smoking are a fraud – but it is a fraud that this reader – and what he represents – desperately needs, the only alternative being realisation that he and his ilk are just a bunch of hateful bastards.

From that stems the accusation that “smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people” while not even one death can be demonstrated to be caused by active smoking, let alone "passive smoking," a prohibitionist device that puts the "fatal glass of beer" of America's alcohol prohibition era to shame. The writer then typically mixes up non-smokers with pathological antismokers like himself, while there is a profound difference between the two: the non-smoker is simply a person who does not smoke, while the antismoker is the fascistic bastard who hates. Then, in fact, comes the confirmation, and the only truthful thing in this letter: “This is a war against smokers and this will continue”.

We know that well – and we can reply that this is now also a war against antismokers and it will continue until their putrid species goes back into the social and ideological sewers where it has belonged since, during, and long before the era of the Third Reich. Hate-based campaigns have raged throughout history. Today fanatical antismoking, like the Nazis early in WWII, advances apace, this is surely true – but it is also true that, the more that troops advance, the more they need supply lines and force dilution to maintain the conquered territories.

Recall what happened to Hitler’s forces when they got close enough to Moscow to see its lights. Their support system collapsed, and we know the rest: the oh-so "pure" and "superior", racist and healthist Nazis were wiped from the face of the Earth. In a different kind of war, American alcohol prohibition expanded to total control – but after many decades of anti-alcohol proselytizing, fear-mongering, hate-mongering, indoctrination, lobbying, and tyrannizing, it was brought down in a short 14 years. Carrie Nation always was a sick joke. People came to see that, they resisted, they won.

So, bank on this, hateful antismokers: we will wear antitobacco out, we will keep resisting until the human and financial costs of oppressing us will be impossible to bear. The antismoking cartel can keep stealing public money but there will never be enough money, frauds, propaganda, or tyranny, to extinguish the human spirit. It is time to deal with the institutional problem and we will. Whatever it takes, we shall expose the frauds, and the fraudsters, we shall always smoke right in their faces, and when we have firmly and finally humiliated today's properly-called antismoking Nazis, we shall do to them what they are doing to us.

We gladly say to all antismokers who care to visit FORCES: what is rightfully ours will be legally ours again, and oh, just by the way – we hate you too.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1984; nannystate; pufflist; resistance; smoking; uk
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1 posted on 01/04/2008 6:23:50 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084
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We the People Sheeple of the United States Nanny State, in Order to form a more perfect Union Socialist Utopia, establish Justice Socially engineer a country of non smoking, physically fit, tea totallers, insure domestic Tranquility Smoking bans in bars, limits on unhealthy food and social drinking, provide for the common defense Universal Healthcare, promote the general Welfare health of the population whether they like it or not, in order to save above mentioned Universal Healthcare entitlement program from bankruptcy, and secure the Blessings of Liberty Dependency to ourselves progressive liberals and our Posterity Hitler Youth who we brainwash through public school education, do ordain decree and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Nanny State of Liberals.

2 posted on 01/04/2008 6:27:03 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Looks like the Brits have more stones than us!


3 posted on 01/04/2008 6:37:05 PM PST by microgood
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Liberty!


4 posted on 01/04/2008 6:38:07 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Image hosted by Photobucket.com everybody ticketed should refuse to pay the fine too... tell-em sod-off, put me in jail where it'll cost the govt more than the fine and they can't put them ALL in jail.
5 posted on 01/04/2008 6:38:32 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: SheLion

I see your name regularly on these smoking posts, and even though I don’t smoke, I wish you well.

It would be invigorating to see something like this happen in the US.


6 posted on 01/04/2008 6:39:40 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: microgood
Looks like the Brits have more stones than us!

If that were the case 230 years ago there would have been no American revolution. No Boston Tea Party.

7 posted on 01/04/2008 6:45:45 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: BenLurkin

8 posted on 01/04/2008 6:46:43 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Chode

They can’t refuse to pay the fine, but they have to be found guilty. Which means there has to be witnesses who are willing to take a day off from work and show up for 5 hours of court to testify for a nuisance violation.

Won’t happen. They won’t show. You can smoke all you want and not pay a fine. You just have to be willing to waste a day in municipal court. I did it once just for kicks and giggles. When the witness to the “crime” doesn’t show...it’s case dismissed. Plus I actually enjoyed the 3 hours watching the court cases. It was like cable TV.


9 posted on 01/04/2008 6:51:41 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
This is great news. I want to out and light up now. Even though I don't smoke.

This sounds like an uprising against the nanny state.

About time. Go Brits.

10 posted on 01/04/2008 6:54:13 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (“Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.” George Burns)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIN8MmMloZE


11 posted on 01/04/2008 6:55:31 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Fred will crush the beast and send her back through the gates of hell.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

That warms the cackles of my heart.


12 posted on 01/04/2008 7:18:25 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: SubGeniusX; traviskicks

ping.


13 posted on 01/04/2008 7:28:17 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Why celebrate an addiction?

Grow a pair and summon up the intestinal fortitude to quit the smelly and obtrusive habit.

Your family and associates will thank you.


14 posted on 01/04/2008 7:36:47 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people so you can actually say smokers are the ones closer to Nazis.

Seems that someone broke Godwin's law.
15 posted on 01/04/2008 7:44:25 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Sursum Corda
Why celebrate an addiction?

We're not celebrating an addiction. We're celebrating the fact that the Brits had the stones to tell their overly intrusive nanny-state government to go take a flying leap.
16 posted on 01/04/2008 7:46:29 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Sursum Corda
I'm here to help you and provide a public service for a fee. I am a fully trained psychologist specializing in Nanny State Behavior Syndrome (NSBS). This liberal, left wing, social engineering disease is horrible and can strike anyone at anytime. It can even strike Conservatives who believe in free markets and limited government.

Thankfully, Dr. Feel (a wholly owned subsiduary of Dr. Phil) is here to help you work through your problems.

Please answer the questionaire below, so I know how best to treat you. And please have your insurance card ready for the wallet biopsy. This is a Capitalist country and I don't work for free.

I discriminate against smokers because:

A. The smell of smoke is icky and yucky, it makes my hair and clothes stink and I hate walking into a bar/restaurant where people are smoking. So rather than take advantage of the free market and go somewhere that is voluntarily smoke free, I would rather use the power of the state to impose my personal preference on my fellow citizens.

A1. My __________ (choose one: Dad, Mom, Uncle, Aunt, Grandfather, Grandmother, older sister, brother, babysitter, next door neighbor, mailman) abused me by smoking ________(choose one: Marlboro, Merit, Kool, crack, Camel, Kent, marijuana) in the __________ (choose one: house, car, bar, juvenile detention center) when I was a kid.

B. My beloved ___________ (choose one: husband, wife, father, mother, brother, sister, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, maid, dog, cat, goldfish, gay lover) died from _________(choose one: cancer, heart disease, emphysema, car crash, train wreck, terrorist attack, sting ray) because of their smoking.

C. I smoked for _____ (years) and now I am ________ (choose one: missing it, sick, dead, born again, enlightened, ashamed of myself, if I can't do it, nobody can) and want to share my experience with others.

D. The Big Tobacco companies are lying scumbags and must pay! (you're not coming down off the mountain with the tablets there)

E. I represent Big Pharmaceutical interests that benefit from the anti-smoking movement because it increases the sales of our Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) products.

F. I am a deeply caring individual in the mold of Mother Theresa and I am speaking out due to my benevolent, philanthropic, altruistic concern about the health of my fellow man.

G. I am a research scientist and grant junky, and if I don't tow the party line my grant money will disappear.

H. I'm just a garden variety Fascist and Totalitarian and get a ______ (choose one: cheap thrill, natural high, erection, orgasm) by imposing my will on other people.

I. I am a retard who believes in bogus studies, junk science, the Easter Bunny and the Toothfairy. I fear that because I walked into a bar on Spring Break in 1987, and was exposed to Second Hand Smoke I now suffer from ______(choose one: AIDS, Herpes, Athletes Foot, Jock Itch, male pattern baldness, or genital warts)

J. I am a disgruntled, prissy and angry employee of a ______(choose one: bar, restaurant, club, casino) who can't leave the job because I am a _______(choose one: slave, indentured servant, sweatshop laborer, illegal immigrant) and had no idea there was smoking going on in the place before I took the job.

K. An elected public serpent, serving as a _____ (choose one: State Assemblywoman, Senator, Freeholder, city councilman, mayor) and I have failed miserably in my job and trying to tackle really tough problems like _____ (choose one: gang violence, income taxes, property taxes, crime, corruption), so I will support a smoking ban based on the talking points and literature that "M" has given me and claim that I have actually accomplished something to help my constituents.

L. A Socialist liberal Democrat who is desperate for Universal Healthcare so the proletariet will continue to keep me in power. But if I don't do something about the "demand side" health care costs caused by such global health menaces as _________ (choose one: Marlboro, Merit, Kool, Big Macs, Whoppers, Chicken McNuggets, Budweiser, Coors, Jack Daniels) my health care entitlement program will go ________ (choose your adjective: broke, belly up, bankrupt, insolvent).

M. A professional anti-tobacco activist who makes $450,000 per year. MY GOAL IS TO REDUCE SMOKING RATES FROM 25% TO BELOW 10%. KICKING THEM OUT OF THEIR FAVORITE BAR AND RESTAURANT IS JUST A SMALL STEP TO COERCE THEM TO QUIT. I DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THE SHS NONSENSE MYSELF! Don't you dare try to ban cigarettes, if you do I will have to go back to my previous job ______(choose one: prostitute, drug dealer, pimp, state assemblyman, mayor) where I won't make nearly as much money and the bank will foreclose on my seaside villa and repo my _______(choose one: Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Hummer, Infiniti, Acura,Jaguar, Volvo, Bentley). I take advantage of the prejudices of categories A-L above to accomplish my goal.

N. I am a Religious Fundamentalist who believes that smoking is strictly forbidden in the ______(choose one: Qu'ran, Bible, Torah, Old Testament, New Testament, David Wells' autobiography "Perfect I'm Not", Hustler Magazine)

O. I don't fit any of the above categories, I just like to argue with people.

17 posted on 01/04/2008 7:47:19 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: JamesP81

They’re a bunch of addicted children.


18 posted on 01/04/2008 7:49:08 PM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Unconvincing.


19 posted on 01/04/2008 7:49:28 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Sursum Corda
You're off your meds, here's a new prescription:


20 posted on 01/04/2008 7:55:32 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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