British Smokers Triumph As Anti Rages On

Forces.org ^ | January 4, 2008

[Sursum Corda]

When there is a clash of personal rights, where do you stand? Does your stand build up or tear down? Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?

[Sursum Corda]

It means that spell check isn’t perfect. ;-)

[JamesP81]

Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?

You do not have the right to not be annoyed in public.

[TigersEye]

Fair enough.

[JamesP81]

Addendum to my #43:

It is obvious that in a free society, some people are going to do things that you don't like. You can either learn to live with some annoyances, or you can cease having a free society. You cannot have it both ways.

[Eric Blair 2084]

What do you want exactly? Dr. Feel is here to help. Have a seat on the couch and let's chat.

[Sursum Corda]

Really? Please point me to the authoritative source which says I have to succumb to those with personal addictions.

[Sursum Corda]

I would surmise that you have few cogent answers and must then resort to assorted tangential sources/replies. Would you care to reply to my comments instead?

[Sursum Corda]

Your reply, for all reasonable purposes of discussion, is a non sequitar. Would you like a Mulligan?

[brityank]

When there is a clash of personal rights, where do you stand? Does your stand build up or tear down? Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?

As a non-smoker, what gives you the right to point a gun at the non-smoking Owner of any establishment to do your bidding?

[Sursum Corda]

Good night and God bless. I will pick up on this, if necessary, in the AM.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Alright, let me try this again for the last time. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

[berdie]

Way to go Brits!! Too bad we can’t have a “smoke-in” day here.

I believe smokers and non-smokers can live in agreement. Non-smokers don’t like smoking establishments..don’t go there. Smokers don’t like non-smoking environments..don’t go there. Let the free market decide who wins and loses.

It’s pretty easy in my world. There shouldn’t be government intervention at this level. If there is...it is just the beginning of what you can and can’t do. Just watch.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Don't pass out on me now, we were ready for a breakthrough in your therapy dumbass.

[Eric Blair 2084]

"What most people really object to when they object to a free market is that it is so hard for them to shape it to their own will. The market gives people what the people want instead of what other people think they ought to want. At the bottom of many criticisms of the market economy is really lack of belief in freedom itself. The essence of political freedom is the absence of coercion of one man by his fellow men. The fundamental danger to political freedom is the concentration of power. The existence of a large measure of power in the hands of a relatively few individuals enables them to use it to coerce their fellow men. Preservation of freedom requires either the elimination of power where that is possible, or its dispersal where it cannot be eliminated. It essentially requires a system of checks and balances, like that explicitly incorporated in our Constitution..."

-- Milton Friedman, The New Liberal's Creed: Individual Freedom, Preserving Dissent Are Ultimate Goals," May 18, 1961

[Eric Blair 2084]

[uglybiker]

SEZ:

Ve are avare uff your silly little games!
Ve haff registriert die videos! Und ve are takink der names!
Mein life sucks! Zat much iss true!
I vill noot shtop until yours sucks, too!

Seig heil!

[Old Professer]

What we see here is not a matter of public concern for social well-being as much as it is for a creation of social sameness, a system wherein the greater goal is one of isolation rather than individualism.

The truly large threats to society are those that are global in nature but divorced from natural harm traceable to natural results but are only allowed to be named and championed by those who have previously positioned themselves to be the arbiters of both cause and effect.

If the cultural standards by which generations have succeeded are replaced by immediate problems caused by perceived future ruin from easily controlled agents of harm while the rest of the culture crumbles around it unabated, the results when all is said and done will be much the same as the day that Caesar woke up quite dead and voiceless with only the poets left to mourn his greatness.

[Eric Blair 2084]

[Old Professer]

Hillary cackles, has cankles and crackers would be a welcome replacement in any bed in her stead, but don’t you mean “cockles?”