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British Smokers Triumph As Anti Rages On
Forces.org ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 6:23:42 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

The National Smoking Day went well in England as festive multitudes disobeyed fraud-based antismoking laws. More information is coming in as we write. We will keep you posted as we resume regular publication next week.

Of course, had Anti forces succeeded in quashing the British event, there would be press releases and coverage galore in the mainstream media. Instead, widespread disobedience was successful and vaunted attempts at a crackdown were not, thus Anti and her media minions have nothing to say. Kowtowing media must show that they are making their best effort to suppress any and all information favourable to smokers, they must not indicate that smokers are getting sufficiently organized to make prohibition fail, so their silence is indeed golden in our eyes. The people are awakening to the hateful menace of antismoking, they are disgusted, they are resisting. That is what is happening and this shall continue.

Anti calls on the press at her convenience but she can never resist plain raving. Our British friends have forwarded to us an item of hate mail we'll share with you here. This was sent to the National Smoking Day e-mail address by a “gentleman” (so to speak) at 11:00 PM on the 31st of December, while Brits throughout the nation proudly and happily broke the law by smoking in public places. The letter oozes with the "hate juice" that the “public health” scum has managed to distil in the most weak-minded members of the public, thanks to false information on the consequences of smoking on health. “Public health” delights in providing excuses for hatred.

The letter's juvenile title reads: What a bunch of retards you people are

And the author proceeds (including a web reference to FORCES):

"I guess what they say about smokers is right, smokers don't care about anybody except for their addictive drug. I hope you smokers end up in jail where you belong do you have at least any considerate for non smokers, why should non smokers have to breathe in your smoke it is your smoke and not theirs. You people are sad for sure and you will not get anywhere at all like you think you will. Also people making these laws are not Nazis like this website has but I guess smoker will call other people Nazis. Don't forget Nazis killed a lot of people and people making these laws are trying to protect non smokers. Smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people so you can actually say smokers are the ones closer to Nazis. This is a war against smokers and this will continue also like it or not smokers are losing this battle."

Naturally enough, all the stereotypes of the Nazi mind-set are present in this letter that says that “public health” does not take its ideology from the Nazi era, which it most certainly does, as a matter of well documented fact. First of all, “smokers don’t care”, very much as it was said that Jews “did not care” about using their capital to exploit people. Second, one can see that the freedom to choose between smoking and non-smoking places is not even considered, for this would remove the justification for hatred. Third is another essential element to justify hatred: the junk science, the same methods beloved of eugenic social engineers, past and present. It is crystal clear that the dangers of passive smoking are a fraud – but it is a fraud that this reader – and what he represents – desperately needs, the only alternative being realisation that he and his ilk are just a bunch of hateful bastards.

From that stems the accusation that “smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people” while not even one death can be demonstrated to be caused by active smoking, let alone "passive smoking," a prohibitionist device that puts the "fatal glass of beer" of America's alcohol prohibition era to shame. The writer then typically mixes up non-smokers with pathological antismokers like himself, while there is a profound difference between the two: the non-smoker is simply a person who does not smoke, while the antismoker is the fascistic bastard who hates. Then, in fact, comes the confirmation, and the only truthful thing in this letter: “This is a war against smokers and this will continue”.

We know that well – and we can reply that this is now also a war against antismokers and it will continue until their putrid species goes back into the social and ideological sewers where it has belonged since, during, and long before the era of the Third Reich. Hate-based campaigns have raged throughout history. Today fanatical antismoking, like the Nazis early in WWII, advances apace, this is surely true – but it is also true that, the more that troops advance, the more they need supply lines and force dilution to maintain the conquered territories.

Recall what happened to Hitler’s forces when they got close enough to Moscow to see its lights. Their support system collapsed, and we know the rest: the oh-so "pure" and "superior", racist and healthist Nazis were wiped from the face of the Earth. In a different kind of war, American alcohol prohibition expanded to total control – but after many decades of anti-alcohol proselytizing, fear-mongering, hate-mongering, indoctrination, lobbying, and tyrannizing, it was brought down in a short 14 years. Carrie Nation always was a sick joke. People came to see that, they resisted, they won.

So, bank on this, hateful antismokers: we will wear antitobacco out, we will keep resisting until the human and financial costs of oppressing us will be impossible to bear. The antismoking cartel can keep stealing public money but there will never be enough money, frauds, propaganda, or tyranny, to extinguish the human spirit. It is time to deal with the institutional problem and we will. Whatever it takes, we shall expose the frauds, and the fraudsters, we shall always smoke right in their faces, and when we have firmly and finally humiliated today's properly-called antismoking Nazis, we shall do to them what they are doing to us.

We gladly say to all antismokers who care to visit FORCES: what is rightfully ours will be legally ours again, and oh, just by the way – we hate you too.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1984; nannystate; pufflist; resistance; smoking; uk
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To: JamesP81
When there is a clash of personal rights, where do you stand? Does your stand build up or tear down? Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?
41 posted on 01/04/2008 8:31:19 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: TigersEye
It means that spell check isn’t perfect. ;-)
42 posted on 01/04/2008 8:34:31 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Sursum Corda
Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?

You do not have the right to not be annoyed in public.
43 posted on 01/04/2008 8:34:49 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Sursum Corda

Fair enough.


44 posted on 01/04/2008 8:35:46 PM PST by TigersEye (In my heart is a wellspring of sorrow. My joy is in seeing the emptiness of it.)
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To: Sursum Corda
Addendum to my #43:

It is obvious that in a free society, some people are going to do things that you don't like. You can either learn to live with some annoyances, or you can cease having a free society. You cannot have it both ways.
45 posted on 01/04/2008 8:36:23 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Sursum Corda
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What do you want exactly? Dr. Feel is here to help. Have a seat on the couch and let's chat.

46 posted on 01/04/2008 8:37:14 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: JamesP81

Really? Please point me to the authoritative source which says I have to succumb to those with personal addictions.


47 posted on 01/04/2008 8:38:07 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I would surmise that you have few cogent answers and must then resort to assorted tangential sources/replies. Would you care to reply to my comments instead?
48 posted on 01/04/2008 8:43:36 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: JamesP81
Your reply, for all reasonable purposes of discussion, is a non sequitar. Would you like a Mulligan?
49 posted on 01/04/2008 8:46:25 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Sursum Corda; JamesP81
When there is a clash of personal rights, where do you stand? Does your stand build up or tear down? Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?

As a non-smoker, what gives you the right to point a gun at the non-smoking Owner of any establishment to do your bidding?

50 posted on 01/04/2008 8:48:29 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: All

Good night and God bless. I will pick up on this, if necessary, in the AM.


51 posted on 01/04/2008 8:49:32 PM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Sursum Corda
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Alright, let me try this again for the last time. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

52 posted on 01/04/2008 8:51:31 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Way to go Brits!! Too bad we can’t have a “smoke-in” day here.

I believe smokers and non-smokers can live in agreement. Non-smokers don’t like smoking establishments..don’t go there. Smokers don’t like non-smoking environments..don’t go there. Let the free market decide who wins and loses.

It’s pretty easy in my world. There shouldn’t be government intervention at this level. If there is...it is just the beginning of what you can and can’t do. Just watch.

53 posted on 01/04/2008 8:51:37 PM PST by berdie
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To: Sursum Corda
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Don't pass out on me now, we were ready for a breakthrough in your therapy dumbass.

54 posted on 01/04/2008 8:53:25 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: berdie

"What most people really object to when they object to a free market is that it is so hard for them to shape it to their own will. The market gives people what the people want instead of what other people think they ought to want. At the bottom of many criticisms of the market economy is really lack of belief in freedom itself. The essence of political freedom is the absence of coercion of one man by his fellow men. The fundamental danger to political freedom is the concentration of power. The existence of a large measure of power in the hands of a relatively few individuals enables them to use it to coerce their fellow men. Preservation of freedom requires either the elimination of power where that is possible, or its dispersal where it cannot be eliminated. It essentially requires a system of checks and balances, like that explicitly incorporated in our Constitution..."

-- Milton Friedman, The New Liberal's Creed: Individual Freedom, Preserving Dissent Are Ultimate Goals," May 18, 1961

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55 posted on 01/04/2008 8:55:52 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: JamesP81

56 posted on 01/04/2008 9:00:13 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084


SEZ:

Ve are avare uff your silly little games!
Ve haff registriert die videos! Und ve are takink der names!
Mein life sucks! Zat much iss true!
I vill noot shtop until yours sucks, too!

Seig heil!

57 posted on 01/04/2008 9:00:36 PM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. In fact, I'm enjoying every minute of it.)
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To: microgood

What we see here is not a matter of public concern for social well-being as much as it is for a creation of social sameness, a system wherein the greater goal is one of isolation rather than individualism.

The truly large threats to society are those that are global in nature but divorced from natural harm traceable to natural results but are only allowed to be named and championed by those who have previously positioned themselves to be the arbiters of both cause and effect.

If the cultural standards by which generations have succeeded are replaced by immediate problems caused by perceived future ruin from easily controlled agents of harm while the rest of the culture crumbles around it unabated, the results when all is said and done will be much the same as the day that Caesar woke up quite dead and voiceless with only the poets left to mourn his greatness.


58 posted on 01/04/2008 9:01:22 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Sursum Corda

59 posted on 01/04/2008 9:01:43 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Hillary cackles, has cankles and crackers would be a welcome replacement in any bed in her stead, but don’t you mean “cockles?”


60 posted on 01/04/2008 9:03:50 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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