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British Smokers Triumph As Anti Rages On
Forces.org ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 6:23:42 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

The National Smoking Day went well in England as festive multitudes disobeyed fraud-based antismoking laws. More information is coming in as we write. We will keep you posted as we resume regular publication next week.

Of course, had Anti forces succeeded in quashing the British event, there would be press releases and coverage galore in the mainstream media. Instead, widespread disobedience was successful and vaunted attempts at a crackdown were not, thus Anti and her media minions have nothing to say. Kowtowing media must show that they are making their best effort to suppress any and all information favourable to smokers, they must not indicate that smokers are getting sufficiently organized to make prohibition fail, so their silence is indeed golden in our eyes. The people are awakening to the hateful menace of antismoking, they are disgusted, they are resisting. That is what is happening and this shall continue.

Anti calls on the press at her convenience but she can never resist plain raving. Our British friends have forwarded to us an item of hate mail we'll share with you here. This was sent to the National Smoking Day e-mail address by a “gentleman” (so to speak) at 11:00 PM on the 31st of December, while Brits throughout the nation proudly and happily broke the law by smoking in public places. The letter oozes with the "hate juice" that the “public health” scum has managed to distil in the most weak-minded members of the public, thanks to false information on the consequences of smoking on health. “Public health” delights in providing excuses for hatred.

The letter's juvenile title reads: What a bunch of retards you people are

And the author proceeds (including a web reference to FORCES):

"I guess what they say about smokers is right, smokers don't care about anybody except for their addictive drug. I hope you smokers end up in jail where you belong do you have at least any considerate for non smokers, why should non smokers have to breathe in your smoke it is your smoke and not theirs. You people are sad for sure and you will not get anywhere at all like you think you will. Also people making these laws are not Nazis like this website has but I guess smoker will call other people Nazis. Don't forget Nazis killed a lot of people and people making these laws are trying to protect non smokers. Smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people so you can actually say smokers are the ones closer to Nazis. This is a war against smokers and this will continue also like it or not smokers are losing this battle."

Naturally enough, all the stereotypes of the Nazi mind-set are present in this letter that says that “public health” does not take its ideology from the Nazi era, which it most certainly does, as a matter of well documented fact. First of all, “smokers don’t care”, very much as it was said that Jews “did not care” about using their capital to exploit people. Second, one can see that the freedom to choose between smoking and non-smoking places is not even considered, for this would remove the justification for hatred. Third is another essential element to justify hatred: the junk science, the same methods beloved of eugenic social engineers, past and present. It is crystal clear that the dangers of passive smoking are a fraud – but it is a fraud that this reader – and what he represents – desperately needs, the only alternative being realisation that he and his ilk are just a bunch of hateful bastards.

From that stems the accusation that “smokers are the ones that are harming and killing people” while not even one death can be demonstrated to be caused by active smoking, let alone "passive smoking," a prohibitionist device that puts the "fatal glass of beer" of America's alcohol prohibition era to shame. The writer then typically mixes up non-smokers with pathological antismokers like himself, while there is a profound difference between the two: the non-smoker is simply a person who does not smoke, while the antismoker is the fascistic bastard who hates. Then, in fact, comes the confirmation, and the only truthful thing in this letter: “This is a war against smokers and this will continue”.

We know that well – and we can reply that this is now also a war against antismokers and it will continue until their putrid species goes back into the social and ideological sewers where it has belonged since, during, and long before the era of the Third Reich. Hate-based campaigns have raged throughout history. Today fanatical antismoking, like the Nazis early in WWII, advances apace, this is surely true – but it is also true that, the more that troops advance, the more they need supply lines and force dilution to maintain the conquered territories.

Recall what happened to Hitler’s forces when they got close enough to Moscow to see its lights. Their support system collapsed, and we know the rest: the oh-so "pure" and "superior", racist and healthist Nazis were wiped from the face of the Earth. In a different kind of war, American alcohol prohibition expanded to total control – but after many decades of anti-alcohol proselytizing, fear-mongering, hate-mongering, indoctrination, lobbying, and tyrannizing, it was brought down in a short 14 years. Carrie Nation always was a sick joke. People came to see that, they resisted, they won.

So, bank on this, hateful antismokers: we will wear antitobacco out, we will keep resisting until the human and financial costs of oppressing us will be impossible to bear. The antismoking cartel can keep stealing public money but there will never be enough money, frauds, propaganda, or tyranny, to extinguish the human spirit. It is time to deal with the institutional problem and we will. Whatever it takes, we shall expose the frauds, and the fraudsters, we shall always smoke right in their faces, and when we have firmly and finally humiliated today's properly-called antismoking Nazis, we shall do to them what they are doing to us.

We gladly say to all antismokers who care to visit FORCES: what is rightfully ours will be legally ours again, and oh, just by the way – we hate you too.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1984; nannystate; pufflist; resistance; smoking; uk
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To: Old Professer

I didn’t (and still can’t) figure out what word it was supposed to be.


81 posted on 01/04/2008 9:45:26 PM PST by TigersEye (In my heart is a wellspring of sorrow. My joy is in seeing the emptiness of it.)
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To: nicmarlo

Here in Virginia, the Republicans have kept the Democrats at bay over this issue. Companies and businesses decide on their own. My favorite bar allows smoking after 9pm and any other time you can go upstairs to the second level and smoke. In the spring and summer they have a deck that also allows smoking. Other bars have caved into the anti-smokers and have banned smoking without a dictate from the state. They won’t get my patronage.


82 posted on 01/04/2008 9:50:59 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I’m reminded of the old gentleman whose grandkids were touring his new nursing home after he had been abandoned by their parents; he squirmed and squirmed, shifted and shifted only to be pushed back deeper in his wheelchair.

After an hour of this discomfort, his bright-eyed and sprightly new charges came marching back into the reception area and cheerfully asked:

“What do you think of the new place, Pops?”

“I wouldn’t let a dog stay anyplace where they wouldn’t let the old bastard fart, let’s go home!”


83 posted on 01/04/2008 9:51:15 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Best rant I’ve read in months. He/She does not have a clue.
84 posted on 01/04/2008 9:53:49 PM PST by jokar (The Church age is the only time we will be able to Glorify God, http://www.gbible.org)
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To: Old Professer

lol


85 posted on 01/04/2008 9:58:41 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: jokar

He/she/it can plead their 21st Amendment rights. They are obviously drunk.


86 posted on 01/04/2008 9:59:51 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: TheLion

Good for you Lion; if I could, I would opt for the same choice. Alas, the nanny staters have taken away my right to do so, as much as they have taken away the right of establishment owners to sell their services/products to the clientele THEY wish to have.

Nanny staters disgust me.


87 posted on 01/04/2008 10:03:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re welcome. Good night all.


88 posted on 01/04/2008 10:16:37 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

hehehe


89 posted on 01/04/2008 10:40:35 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Eric Blair 2084

London Tobacco Party?


90 posted on 01/05/2008 12:45:57 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: TigersEye; Old_Professor

Think our logorrheic friend was trying to spell “apotheosis.” Possible his vision was a bit impaired by the projectile spittle on his screen.


91 posted on 01/05/2008 1:52:20 AM PST by dorothy ( “The firm basis of government is justice, not pity.” —Woodrow Wilson)
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To: Sursum Corda
So conservatism = non-smoker?

Do you usually leave steaming piles of illogic behind you or are you the official FR designator of who is and is not conservative?

92 posted on 01/05/2008 3:21:47 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Sursum Corda

And now smoking = anarchy!


93 posted on 01/05/2008 3:23:19 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: All
It is always interesting to read what is said overnight on a thread about smoking.

Some people are looking for a bar fight at every turn. Others nitpick. Some attempt to wrap their POV in flag and country.

To those who wish to nitpick, demean and belittle, good luck. In the end you end up undercutting your own arguments by your behavior.

The flag and country crowd are at least trying to make a cogent argument. I just disagree with their conclusions.

94 posted on 01/05/2008 3:32:42 AM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Old Professer; Sursum Corda

Maybe he was a beekeeper in another life and the booze has him a little confused, eh?


95 posted on 01/05/2008 3:32:54 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Sursum Corda
To those who wish to nitpick, demean and belittle

Strong words from a one-eyed fat man:

Why celebrate an addiction?

Grow a pair and summon up the intestinal fortitude to quit the smelly and obtrusive habit.

BTW, any luck figuring out how to work "antidisestablishmentarianism" into your list of assertions?

96 posted on 01/05/2008 4:47:20 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Sursum Corda
Why, in your published opinion, does a smoker have more rights than a nonsmoker?

The smoker doesn't have more rights than the non-smoker. By the same token, the non-smoker has no more rights than the smoker. Yet the non-smoker is imposing his will upon the smoker by telling him where or when he may or may not smoke.

People forget that your personal rights end at the tip of your nose, just as mine do.

97 posted on 01/05/2008 6:26:54 AM PST by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: Madame Dufarge
As to your commentary on my words, yes I was strident, I was abrasive. I do apologize.

I have little patience with the Smokers’ Lobby. I am a former smoker, quit now over 20 years.

My children asked me to do so. It should not have come to that. I should have done it without their prodding.

Was it “hard”? Yes. Do I believe that it was beneficial? Yes, in many ways. Food tastes better, my clothing, vehicles and home do not reek of tobacco smoke and I have not aged prematurely, as have some of my relatives who still light up. My general health is good and I am not wasting money on tobacco products. I have the time, money and stamina to pursue my hobby of woodworking and have increased my skills in the building trades as I remodel my house, one room at a time.

What do my hobbies have to do with becoming a former smoker? They represent discipline, fortitude and commitment. It is surprising how one can build on giving up a bad habit.

Thank you for the opportunity to ‘clear the air’. ;-)

A query: Is your screen name supposed to be that of a character from Dickens’ “A Tale of Two Cities”? If so, the proper spelling of the name is “Madame Thérèse Defarge”. If you are basing it on something entirely different, would you tell us readers the history of your screen name?

98 posted on 01/05/2008 6:53:18 AM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Sursum Corda

I guess the web site software decided to mangle the name Therese, not liking the two accents. I did not type “Thérèse”.


99 posted on 01/05/2008 6:57:48 AM PST by Sursum Corda
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To: Sursum Corda; Madame Dufarge; Eric Blair 2084

You should have picked a healthier hobby:
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/woodworking/health_wooddust.html

You don’t have a right to woodwork, but I will defend your hobby.


100 posted on 01/05/2008 7:27:58 AM PST by libertarian27 (Land of the Fee, Home of the Shamed)
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