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Evangelicals Sent Some Messages to the Repbulicans, but was Anyone Listening?
The Common Voice ^ | January 4, 2008 | Dan Burrell

Posted on 01/04/2008 11:55:25 PM PST by Ol' Sparky

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To: normy
Sorry, your a Christian Basher just face it.

Two words.

Jimmuh.

Carter.

...oh, and the proper word is you're not your.

Go re-read Strunk & White's The Elements of Style.

Cheers!

81 posted on 01/05/2008 7:06:23 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: chicagolady
Try reading a href="http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Seizure-Power-Experience-1930-1935/dp/B000IZCEVK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199545741&sr=8-1">The Nazi Seizure of Power: The Experience of a Single German Town, 1930-1935. by William Sheridan Allen this book for some counterpoint.

Full of nice money quotes from Nazi textbooks like, "Hitler and Jesus were both persecuted, but while Jesus was crucified, Hitler went on to become chancellor."

Nice try, though.

82 posted on 01/05/2008 7:09:37 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DannyTN

Waht lack of support on family values are you talking about? Bush is a staunchly pro-life born again Christian who has done absolutely everything a President can do on the pro-life issue. He has appointed contructionist judges, ended funding for abortion though foriegn aid, in military and VA hospitals, through Medicaid, Schip, etc. He has signed the partial birth abortion ban and every piece of anti-abortion legislation that came out of Congress.

Amazing. Pro-life Christians have had one of their own in the White House for 7 years, and yet they think they have a grievance. What exactly do you think a President Huckabee will do on the issue that Bush hasn’t already? Answer: absolutely nothing.


83 posted on 01/05/2008 7:11:52 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (I'm a monthly donor, are you?)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Dried up was probably a bit too strong, but certainly diminished. I’m not necessarily a Huckabee supporter either; for the first time in my adult voting life, I’m not sure who I will be voting for (republican, of course) at this stage of the game.

you might find this link below of interest. Hope it opens.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1292553/posts

84 posted on 01/05/2008 7:14:13 AM PST by bella1 (Build The Fence Now)
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To: unspun
"Compassionate conservatism is not about taking your money. It is about government making room for private efforts for the welfare of the people and cooperating with them."

Perhaps you should explain this to the head 'compassionate conservative' ... you know, that guy we call president ... who, until recently, never met a spending bill that he couldn't sign and who, every chance he gets, uses the phrase 'government has a role to play' in __________ (fill in the blank).

85 posted on 01/05/2008 7:16:05 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Ol' Sparky
Christian conservatives and evangelicals sent a LOUD message when they virtually took the 'ANYONE BUT GIULIANI' position.

I know he did not campaign there much or spend a lot of money there,,,

but with his incredible 'name recognition' (name recognition that any candidate could only DREAM OF,,,and name recognition that millions of dollars cannot buy)--

they made it clear that they want someone with at least SOME conservative social credentials,,,and someone whose life is not a total 'train wreck' along the lines of Bill Clinton.

P.S. It's absolutely unbelievable that someone like Ron Paul could more than DOUBLE Rudy's numbers--given Rudy's incredible name recognition. That should tell the Giuliani apologists what kind of support Rudy would expect from the 'traditional base' in a general election.

86 posted on 01/05/2008 7:21:36 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: bert
Huh? I am an ordinary Evangelical Baptist. I live in the Memphis area, where there are as many Baptist churches as there are gas stations. We all pretty much believe that we are all are Evangelicals.
87 posted on 01/05/2008 7:24:31 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: LadyNavyVet
I am a pro-life Evangelical Christian, and love what President Bush as done on the pro-life issue. In fact, I don’t know anyone that dosen’t feel the same.

I live in the heart of the Bible Belt!

88 posted on 01/05/2008 7:27:42 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Tall_Texan
"He is essentially reviving the Jimmy Carter campaign of acting like Washington is from another planet and asking What Would Jesus Do?"

Terrific!
He preaches like Carter and plays an instrument with the band like Clinton the first. Oh, he's also from Arkansas.

I may not sleep until ..

89 posted on 01/05/2008 7:36:42 AM PST by norton (deep down inside you know that Fred is your second choice - and there isn't a third choice)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I love it, too. And he gets very little credit for it, especially here among some posters who whine about the pro-life issue. They’re convinced that the right President who “cares more” about the issue will wave a magic wand or something. I’ve even had some tell me that President Huckabee will suspend the Constitution and put pro-choice judges in jail. That’s crazy talk. Not gonna happen.

I think a lot of social conservatives are taking their disgust with the popular culture and saying, “the government hasn’t done enough.” Well, the government can only do so much, especially with Dems and RINOs in the legislature and Marxists on the bench. President Bush has done everything, absolutely everything he can do on this and other social issues. It’s up to the people to start looking to themselves to do the rest.

My state will vote on a Defense of Marriage Amendment in November. I helped collect signatures to get it on the ballot. That’s the kind of thing individuals can do if they really care about social issues, instead of moaning that we don’t have a Congress and judiciary that will allow a national defense of marriage amendment. If Christians don’t he like the culture and the laws, they can always get off their butts and change things. But too many want to sit in their easy chairs or in front of their keyboards and whine about the President and “the government” not doing enough. If they’re not out there working to change things, they have no right to complain.


90 posted on 01/05/2008 7:53:23 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (I'm a monthly donor, are you?)
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To: LadyNavyVet

Exactly!


91 posted on 01/05/2008 8:18:29 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Perhaps you should explain this to the head 'compassionate conservative' ... you know, that guy we call president ... who, until recently, never met a spending bill that he couldn't sign and who, every chance he gets, uses the phrase 'government has a role to play' in __________ (fill in the blank).

I hope people have tried this, by now.

92 posted on 01/05/2008 8:38:50 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Mr Rogers
That is what the Huckster put on his website. When asked about illegal immigration, he said his plan was to force the illegals to go back for a FEW DAYS, then return to the US on a path to citizenship.

3. Prevent Amnesty

Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected. Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years.

This is not a "touchback" provision. Those who leave this country and apply to return from their home country would go to the back of the line.

93 posted on 01/05/2008 8:40:38 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
I don't have a solution for the Republicans any more than I have a candidate that resonates with me.

I can agree with most of the author's article except the italicized sentence above. I do have a candidate who resonates with me, and who should resonate with every traditional conservative as well as every evangelical and pro-life Catholic Christian. His name is Duncan Hunter, and he is the antithesis of the top two Republicans in the IA caucus results.

Hunter is both a traditional conservative and a pro-life, anti-gay "rights", pro-2nd amendment, fiscally responsible, pro-defense, pro-controlled borders candidate who has received practically no support from the tens of millions of evangelicals and traditional conservatives who claim to want those same conservative values in their candidates.

But although I would dearly love to see Hunter in the White House next year, I don't have any reasonable degree of hope that I will short of a divine miracle. For that reason, and only that reason, in the GA primary I will probably vote for my distant second choice, namely Fred Thompson, who does at least seem to have some chance of winning nomination and whose Senate record is acceptable regarding most of the issues about which I am very much concerned. In the general election I will reluctantly vote for any of the other possible Republican nominees except Rudy. If Rudy is the GOP nominee I will cast a symbolic vote for the minor party nominee whose political philosophy and agenda come closest to my moral values and political ideals.

For all of you here on FR who decry the involvement of evangelical and pro-life, pro-morality Catholic Christians in Republican political affairs, remember this. Without our votes the USA would not have had three Republicans in the White House for a total of 20 years since the tragic Jimmy Carter debacle, and would occupy such a distant second place in power and influence to the Democrat party that the US could be said to in effect have a one party system of government. You may not like us, you may regard us as ignorant Neanderthals, and you may not want our input in "your" party's affairs. But without us, you and our nation would both be at the dubious mercy of the traitorous Democrat party with it's anti-American foreign policies and it's collectivist/libertine domestic agenda.

94 posted on 01/05/2008 9:06:40 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how hard working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: unspun

And what I said is that, when interviewed by Chris Wallace on national TV, he disagreed with his own website. He said they would only have to go back for a few days, and then return and become citizens.

So who do you believe? Huckabee, or Huckabee’s website?

Given his track record, I believe Huckabee - not his website.


95 posted on 01/05/2008 9:14:33 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religous freedom!)
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To: normy

It is the responsibility of both individuals, the church, and human government. That God commands rulers to consider their cause does not alleviate what he requires of individuals and the church and vice versa.


96 posted on 01/05/2008 11:01:46 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Hardastarboard
I like mine better. Sometimes people forget.

When I see a flag behind a Democrat candidate, I figure someone will come on stage and burn it and declare that is free speech and say that are as patriotic as the next fella. Sometimes people need to be reminded that the Dems are the flag burners, and the Dems are the God haters, and the Dems want us to lose wars, and the Dems kill babies, and the Dems stick things in peoples exhaust pipes and think that's love. Saying "liberal" saves bandwidth, but somehow "Joe 6 pack" can't seem to figure out that the Dems are trying to take his guns away and not the Repubs. Christians all around the country have "Kerry" stickers on their cars in the church parking lot, but say they hate abortion. The factory worker complains about 1/3 of his check is taxes and Social Security, but votes Democrat because he hates the rich getting a tax break. He somehow has been taught that when Dems raise taxes it won't affect him.

Just saying "Liberal" falls short.

I recently had an argument with a family member over patriotism. I asked him what Republican could he name that ever burnt a flag. He's still thinking. They live in an alternate universe. They somehow have been indoctrinated to believe Republicans want to ban their guns and hunting, and prayer in school, and legalize gay marriage, etc. It's all somehow equal, so vote Democrat cause your a working man. Daddy was a Democrat, grandpa was a Democrat, and by God, my boy's gonna be a Democrat! I tell them, Democrats don't believe in God, and they spew!

97 posted on 01/05/2008 8:54:22 PM PST by chuckles
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To: GOP_Raider

“did he happen to foresee the day where a very sizable portion of the GOP would simply vote for somebody (like Huckabee) because he’s a preacher”

You, too, missed the point this writer was making. They didn’t vote for Huckabee because he’s a preacher. They voted for him because the others simply were not acceptable to them in a social conservative vein. This is one piss poor field of candidates to choose from when Huckabee is the best they have. Duncan Hunter is both social & fiscal conservative. He would pass the evangelical test if people were adequately informed.


98 posted on 01/05/2008 9:08:35 PM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: CurlyDave

“In a real campaign, Barack Hussein Obama will be cut to shreds.”

I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Who among the Republican candidates is attractive enough to please even the Republican voters? Who is going to cut Obama to shreds? The Republicans? And who is going to report it? the Media? I think if Obama is the candidate, we will have our hands full trying to defeat him.


99 posted on 01/05/2008 9:22:33 PM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: upsdriver
Who among the Republican candidates is attractive enough to please even the Republican voters? Who is going to cut Obama to shreds?

Well, Fred Thompson, for one. I bet Rudy could take on Hussein too.

And who is going to report it? the Media? I think if Obama is the candidate, we will have our hands full trying to defeat him.

While the media will be in his corner, one of the features of a real campaign is that politicians and PACs buy advertising, which the media broadcasts. A little bit of the truth can go a long way.

Think back to 2004. The media all lined up behind John Kerry. Despite the best efforts of Dan Rather, all the major newspapers, and all the networks but Fox, the Swiftboat Vets got out the truth about Kerry's cowardice. Rather & cronies got zapped by Free Republic and little green footballs. In the end, we defeated Kerry.

There is a boatload of baggage in Obama's past. The RATs are not going to use most of it because he may be the nominee, and anyone who throws the real dirt will be shunned. I bet the Republicans have most of the same dirt, but aren't going to use it until they know for sure he is the candidate.

If you look closely at Obama's history and formative years it is pretty easy to raise a lot of doubts that he is American enough to be President.

100 posted on 01/05/2008 11:14:39 PM PST by CurlyDave
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