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Fred Thompson: Romneycare At A Glance
Upper Cumberland Daily News ^ | 120607

Posted on 01/06/2008 2:30:43 PM PST by Fred

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To: Mojave

You’re calling the Heritage Foundation liars. It was only a matter of time.


201 posted on 01/06/2008 6:33:11 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
If you’re backing Williams, you’re backing a liberal Democrat who wants to empower a party where almost HALF its Senate members have been either convicted, are on trial, or are about to be indicted. You seem to be the last person in TN who claims to be Conservative who doesn’t see how much of a Judas he is. You better get with the program.

Hey McGoo put on your glasses. I told you I'm not in his district. But hey you wanna win hearts and change minds? Try this. Go to a town in Union County called Luttrell and preach to them about what all you want them to do. Saturday nights are your best bet.

202 posted on 01/06/2008 6:50:02 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

If I am a liberal than you must be uninformed.


203 posted on 01/06/2008 7:08:10 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: claudiustg
You’re calling the Heritage Foundation liars.

Nope. But you just lied. Again.

204 posted on 01/06/2008 7:22:25 PM PST by Mojave
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To: cva66snipe

Union County supports criminal-party empowering back-stabbing liberal Judases like Mike Williams ?


205 posted on 01/06/2008 7:36:35 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Union County supports criminal-party empowering back-stabbing liberal Judases like Mike Williams ?

Gee why not just go to Luttrell one Saturday night and ask them for yourself. Please put the question to the kind folk in the same manner as you did me.

you don't know local politics. Let's see who was from Union County politically? Oh yea Jake Butcher was. Half still wanna hang him half say he's a saint. If the most damage the area can do ya is Mike Williams be thankful for it. This isn't the suburbs of Nashville these are rural communities with many families established up to several hundred years in the area including my own. I don't think what you want matters much to them. If Mike Williams takes care of business in his home district his seat is safe. They will not boot him out over a party feud in Nashville.

206 posted on 01/06/2008 8:15:22 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: 2111USMC

I think everyone should know how gov’t works in a state where the votes are split. The Mass legislature and senate are so Democrat that they can override vetos. The choices are compromise or not get anything through. Does anyone here think that Reagan wanted all that spending he got with his tax cuts?

To get the cuts he had to yield on spending bills. That is how things work and I’m really surprised that so few here think that Mitt can just ram anything through in Mass.


207 posted on 01/06/2008 8:19:48 PM PST by byteback
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To: cva66snipe

Jake Butcher is 30 years ago. This is 2008. We’re gonna run Judas Mike’s crook-supporting liberal ass out of office on a rail.


208 posted on 01/06/2008 8:30:04 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: claudiustg
“Because that was mandated by the court and not subject to negotiation.”

The courts didn’t mandate consultation with Planned Parenthood, only that insurance plans not discriminate against abortion. Besides, how exactly could the courts force the state to require coverage of abortion? Romney could have followed the grand tradition of Andrew Jackson (”John Marshal has made his decision, now let him enforce it>”) He was always free to say that the court rulings were wrong and that, as Governor, he would not agree to any plan that conformed with them. He could have done the same thing with respect to gay marriage. He didn’t, because he was the liberal Governor of a liberal state and apparently quite comfortable in that role.

Fair enough. But don’t turn around two years later and run for President as a conservative. That is an insult to the voters’ collective intelligence. Worse yet, it can’t possibly work.

The only plausible rationale for the Romney campaign is that Lincoln Chaffee and Jim Jeffords didn’t run and somebody has to carry the banner of the New England Republican. Any conservative who supports Mitt is a pathetic fool.

209 posted on 01/06/2008 8:42:18 PM PST by fluffdaddy
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Jake Butcher is 30 years ago. This is 2008. We’re gonna run Judas Mike’s crook-supporting liberal ass out of office on a rail.

Thats right Jake was 30 years ago and is still a legend up there to many. YOU are not going to run anyone anywhere and If YOU and others think you can force persons in the area to do as you say well YOU are drinking strong party Kool Aide.

Hey has it ever occurred to you that you are getting all bent out of shape over Wilder who is what now 87 years old? He isn't going to be LT GOV any more and he even likely has faced that reality. He may well not live another term if he even runs again.

Williams is Independent because his area is no mans land as far as party loyalty goes. This isn't the Nashville suburbs nor is it even Knoxville. Sounds to me like you are so frustrated at your own local situation which should be the focus of your energy that you instead choose to try changing an area you likely have never even been in much less a snowballs chance in changing minds.

I know the area because I live in walking distance of Williams district. If the party tries an outsider that will not work. Party doesn't win the election there reputation for job performance, friendships, and what comes back to the district does. His district is fairing pretty good in improvements. IOW you're wasting your time.

210 posted on 01/06/2008 9:12:26 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Fred

This needs to be broadcast far and wide.

See tagline.


211 posted on 01/06/2008 9:14:50 PM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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To: claudiustg
Let’s run a candidate that’s against doing anything about healthcare.

Nothing is better than this PoS plan.
212 posted on 01/06/2008 9:15:34 PM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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To: Diogenesis
“Romney arrived on the scene with great promise, but is leaving the Republican Party here in shambles. Not only are the Republicans yielding the governor’s office for the first time in 16 years, but registered Republicans have fallen by 31,000 since Romney took office, and their legislative presence is at historic lows. But it worked out fine for him: He is now chasing the prize he really covets, the presidency.”

See tagline.
213 posted on 01/06/2008 9:17:15 PM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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To: cva66snipe

Since you didn’t hear me the first few times, I’ll repeat it for your benefit. We’re gonna run Judas Mike’s crook-supporting liberal ass out of office on a rail. You may not have a problem with the criminal rodent party in absolute control of TN state government, but I sure as hell do, and so do many others. So get with the program or get out of the way.


214 posted on 01/06/2008 9:23:19 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: cva66snipe

BTW, FRiend, Judas Mike is an “Independent” like Judas Jim Jeffords. He is a crooked sleazebag rodent like all the rest. In fact, he’s so deceitfully sleazy, he doesn’t even have the common courtesy to officially join the criminal party despite CAUCUSING with them.

Next up, you don’t know where I’ve visited in my own state. I’ve been in almost every county. Have you ? You have only a tenuous grasp of political history in this state, of which I’ve had to correct you many times. This isn’t 1978 and Judas Mike isn’t invincible. After next January, he can go back to cleaning toilets at Hooters.


215 posted on 01/06/2008 9:27:29 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: cva66snipe
IT WAS FEDERAL DOLLARS what part do you not yet understand?
Yes, it was federal dollars the state needed to fund the program. Fred's job as Tennessee Senator was to go to Washington and secure those federal dollars, and he did. I'm not going to argue the merits of TennCare itself. I'm sure it was a crappy program and was terribly mismanaged. It wouldn't have gone insolvent and kicked everyone off had it not been. But it wasn't Fred's role as elected US senator to decide the merits of the program either. It was for the governor and the state legislature. State officials, not the federal representatives. They are called representatives for a reason - because they are sent by the state to represent the state and its interests in the federal government. Period. The state had a program that for better or for worse needed federal funding. Fred was chosen by the people to go to Washington and get it. And so he did. It wasn't his constitutional role to veto the program. What part of that do you not understand? It sounds to me like you wanted Fred to act like one of those activist judges he despises and start rewriting state law by fiat. There is nothing conservative, federalist, or republican about that.

 
216 posted on 01/06/2008 9:45:30 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You need professional help.


217 posted on 01/06/2008 10:41:34 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Fred

It’s easy to look at Romneycare and see the bad news.

The good news is that abortion/Planned Parenthood is the poison pill which will kill any prospects for socialized medicine on a national scale.

The left will endlessly insist these be included in any program, and this insistence will ultimately prevent passage.

Electing pro-life candidates is about much more than just abortion.


218 posted on 01/06/2008 10:54:09 PM PST by judsonlegacy
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I’ve been in most Tennessee counties and every state in the union except for Hawaii and Maine plus about 8 foreign nations as well. And I sure as the dickens know a lot more about this area than you ever will. BTW I knew enough politically to know the Butchers was going down months before the FDIC and feds ever raided the banks :>}

My wife's family is an old political name in Knoxville as well as co-founder's of Sevier County itself. Now go away I hear yer glorious leader is calling for you Field Marshal.

219 posted on 01/06/2008 10:57:30 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: NewRomeTacitus; wardaddy; GailA; Blood of Tyrants

Since you folks are some of our top TN posters, I invite you to take a look here starting with post #51. How many of you share snipers opinion of the heroism of Judas Mike Williams in siding with the rodent party ? Think I need professional help in wanting to keep back-stabbing liberal weasels out of our state government ? I’m sure he’d love to hear your opinion on the subject.


220 posted on 01/06/2008 11:04:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: cva66snipe; NewRomeTacitus; wardaddy

Congratulations, snipe. And what you know couldn’t fill a teacup. You don’t even know the difference between state and federal officeholders and whom can do what. Apparently you think “leadership” is unilaterally (and illegally) running a state from a Senator’s office in DC and bypassing or ordering the Governor to do his bidding. Now I’m sure you pine for the good old days when crooked one-party rodent states like Louisiana of the ‘30s under Huey Long had such a setup, but this here is the 21st century.

Y’know, for somebody who comes on here badmouthing Fred all over the place (all for doing nothing more than his j-o-b), and yet has his lips surgically attached to the back-end of the single biggest sleazebag liberal Judas in the state of Tennessee, you are an odious hypocrite, sir.

Why don’t you and Judas Mike the rodent go get a room since you seem to worship him so much ? Stay there as long as you like, that way we’re spared your bloviating on a subject you know absolutely nothing about.

Have a nice day.


221 posted on 01/06/2008 11:20:55 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

HEY STINKWEED you were the one cursing Sasser and Mathews for doing what now? Helping start Tenncare right? Well gee Old Wise Field Marshal if a senator can help start a program then one can as well help end it .. YOU ARE A PARTYBOT SHILL A shell of a shill.. LOL... You’re too stupid to even see when your own party has shafted ya.. BAAA BLIND SHEEP LOL.... Wanna sing Todd’s Ratty Rat song now LOL.... Oh I know you also have the gift like Todd LOL... See ya latter thanks for the laugh of the day...


222 posted on 01/07/2008 3:02:33 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: counterpunch
Hey wanna know a secret? It’s still going. It was only went insolvent only in the minds of the HMO blackmailers who got their hands slapped. But not by a Wepublicant because they lacked the guts but rather a DEM. Yep thats right a DEM said knock it off or I will shut it down and I wish he actually had. Again sad commentary on the lack of fortitude on the Tennessee GOP of whom one other on this thread worships. Tyranny to some is just fine as long as its Republicans tyranny that is. The stink Wepublicants who continued it were just as corrupt as the stinking DEMs who started it.
223 posted on 01/07/2008 3:11:05 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: claudiustg
I know. Let’s run a candidate that’s against doing anything about healthcare.

Sometimes, the correct answer is simply not pretending to have an answer.

224 posted on 01/07/2008 5:50:19 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: Fred
Very Funny. Deserves Repeating.
225 posted on 01/07/2008 8:19:56 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: P-Marlowe
See post #225

Funny

226 posted on 01/07/2008 8:29:52 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Reagan Man
Forcing people to purchase a service against their will is called tyranny.

Do all 50 states require that auto owners purchase auto insurance to drive legally? I'm just curious. Here in NJ, you have to have liability coverage to drive the car.

227 posted on 01/07/2008 8:36:33 AM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: Huck
Do all 50 states require that auto owners purchase auto insurance to drive legally?

Do any of those states require that their citizens drive autos?

228 posted on 01/07/2008 10:50:28 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: cva66snipe
I know someone who was on TennCare and was kicked off because of the financial shortfall. Apparently Fred wasn't getting enough money from Washington...
 
229 posted on 01/07/2008 10:51:27 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: kevkrom
Do any of those states require that their citizens drive autos?

Not that I know of. What a weird question. But if someone wants to drive, they've got to pony up for insurance. Right now, when ppl get sick, they get health care whether they can afford it or not. Someone ends up paying.

230 posted on 01/07/2008 10:52:41 AM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: Huck
What a weird question.

Not a weird question at all. There's a difference between mandating insurance for citizens who choose to engage in a particular activity vs. a blanket mandate for all citizens, who are given no choice in the matter whatsoever.

231 posted on 01/07/2008 10:54:18 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: kevkrom

I think it’s a safe assumption that everyone, when their health/life is on the line, is going to get healthcare. There’s no one out there who’s going to have a heart attack and say, THAT’S OK, leave me here to die! I choose not to have health care. Get a grip.


232 posted on 01/07/2008 10:58:02 AM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: Huck

You don’t have to have health insurance to get health care.

And a lot more people would be able to afford paying for health care out-of-pocket if the government would stop mandating health care plans and costs.


233 posted on 01/07/2008 11:00:08 AM PST by kevkrom (All those in favor of Thompson, don't raise your hand.)
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To: kevkrom
You don’t have to have health insurance to get health care.

You don't have to have money either, in case you didn't know. You could make the same argument re: auto liability. I could just set aside $500,000 for a rainy day, and if I get hit with a liability claim due to an auto accident, I could just pay out of pocket. Shazam!

But most people don't have $500K set aside, so they must get insurance. Most people also don't have tens of thousands of dollars set aside for the health care they WILL get if/when the time comes. I don't pretend to have the best solution, but I also don't pretend the problem isn't real.

234 posted on 01/07/2008 11:04:33 AM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: counterpunch
I know someone who was on TennCare and was kicked off because of the financial shortfall. Apparently Fred wasn't getting enough money from Washington...

Every time the cuts were threatened do you know who was threatened to be tossed off Tenncare? I do. It was persons in wheelchairs and mostly others who due to physical disabilities or health unable to fight it. Of course there were meetings held in places completely unaccessible to such etc.

Tenncare replaced Medicaid. Tenncare was NOT MEDICAID it was a form of Universal Health Care. It did not have even a trace of Medicaid accountability as it was taken away from the jurisdiction of the state inspector generals office which was a system that worked. People who honestly to goodness needed help the most vulnerable in Tennessee were the most hurt by it. The ones who were on Medicare as well faired the worse. You see before Tennscare was created Medicaid was the co-pay on Medicare. The doctors didn't get rich but the payment covered their overhead.

When Tenncare was put into play it was RINO Taxquist who allowed the HEY MOES to reduce or rather actually cut out the Medicaid Co-Pay all together. Now what happened next? Doctors were forced to treayt Medicare patients on Tennscare at a lower rate then other Medicare patients and even at a lower rate than Tennscare only patients. Persons like my wife and later myself were SOL as far as finding a doctor to take us. With my disability it wasn't that critical with my wife it is very critical she have a physician.

Not one lawmaker from either party on a state or national level including Da Doctor Frist nor Fred gave a Tinker D what was going on either. The GOP including Fred and Doctor Lurch were too busy covering the incompetent RINO's governors rear.

235 posted on 01/08/2008 3:37:50 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: claudiustg
I know. Let’s run a candidate that’s against doing anything about healthcare. That sounds like a winner! /s

I have a great idea!! Why not let everyone take care of their own health care like Mrs Dearolddad and I do.

236 posted on 01/08/2008 3:50:05 AM PST by dearolddad (Opinions are like rectums: everybody has one.)
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To: counterpunch
I'll go even further in this. The Frist reforms were nothing in the world but Tenncare on a national level. But because Frist pushed it the GOP bought into it hook line and sinker.

The national private health care insurance system is by it's by own design and will fixing to collapse. Yes it is in fact a conspiracy and the parent insurers of the HMO's are behind it. Why settle for a large portion of the private sectors coverage when you can become the care rationer and money handler for everyone in the United States and have a guaranteed paying client namely the United States Government and get all the money?

This is exactly what both the DEMs and a large portion of the GOP have been pushing for. Create a false crisis first just like the DEM governor did in Tennessee by making a working system fail then replace it. Medicaid in it's original form and mission scope worked. It served as catastrophic illness or survivor coverage to either deceased or disabled workers and their dependents or an aid to the elderly poor. Later other coverages were added as societies morals degraded.

237 posted on 01/08/2008 4:01:29 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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