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Why US Muslims live in peace
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1-8-08 | AMNON RUBINSTEIN

Posted on 01/08/2008 5:55:09 AM PST by SJackson

Wherever you have a Muslim community, you'll find trouble, you'll find friction, you'll find national-religious demands, and you'll find terror. Isn't that so? No, it isn't, at least not where the Muslim community in the United States is concerned.

At a time when European countries are debating among themselves about how to deal with the burgeoning extremism among their Muslim immigrant communities and how to contend with the dangers to their national security and culture from those who demand official recognition of their separate culture, there is no sign of similar unrest in the US. Close to a million Muslims live in America in peace.

Whereas in Europe acts of terror are initiated by local Muslims, the perpetrators of the terror attack on the World Trade Center were not aided by a single Muslim-American collaborator.

Strident demands to institute Shari'a law for Muslims are being heard in Europe, and even in Canada - but not in America, where no one has demanded that Arabic be recognized as an official language. Moreover, Muslim-American notables accentuate their loyalty to the US, and, unlike their European counterparts, publicly condemn Islamist terror and declare that they are proud of their loyalty to their new homeland.

A PUBLIC-OPINION survey conducted by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) in 2006 to gauge the views of Muslim voters showed that 84 percent said Muslims should strongly emphasize shared values with Christians and Jews; 77% said Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews; 89% said they vote regularly; 86% said they celebrate the Fourth of July and 64% said they fly the stars and stripes. Nothing similar can be found in European surveys.

What is the explanation of this dramatic contrast? True, the Muslim minority in the United States represents a much smaller proportion of the population than in Europe, but that alone cannot explain the distinct dissimilarity.

THERE ARE five fundamental differences between Europe and the United States.

First, the US has been a land of immigration from its inception and has a great deal of experience in absorbing immigrants from other cultures, while in Europe, the phenomenon of immigration is relatively new. The US is also more selective than Europe in choosing which immigrants they allow into their country.

Second, the US maintains maximum, if not absolute, separation between religion and state, making religion an individual matter. That means there is no room for Muslim-religious demands. In Europe, even in those states that do not have an official religion, religion is still very influential - perhaps with the exception of France - in the areas of education and public life.

Third, the United States has a tradition of individualism: It is the individual that stands alone facing government; the individual pledges his allegiance to the flag and the constitution when he becomes a citizen; the individual can conduct a dialogue with the government on his own and has no need for an intermediary, such as the Muslim Councils established in Britain and France.

FOURTH, the immigrant to the United States knows that his economic fate is up to him and his own efforts: He knows that he is immigrating to a country where he has the chance of becoming rich, of becoming a celebrity. The immigrant to Europe is motivated, among other reasons, by the opportunity to become eligible for national welfare. However, when the welfare payments are provided, the immigrants discover that they are not sufficient to actually put them on a par with the veteran population.

Fifth, multiculturalism is recognized in both cultures, but in the United States, the concept is limited to certain specific areas: tolerance, recognition of other cultures and of the need to have affirmative action and diversity in education and employment. In Europe - and especially a short time ago in Britain, Holland and Scandinavia - multiculturalism has been translated into group cultural rights, which isolate the immigrants from the majority population.

Because of all these things, scholars and political leaders in Europe are now turning their gaze to America to learn from it about how to absorb Muslim immigrants.

IN ISRAEL, the situation is of course quite different, largely because of the conflict and the extremist anti-Israeli stance taken by the Israeli-Arab leadership. But the American example is significant: The most important question of all, for us too, is whether there is any chance that the Arab world will ever make its peace with modern democratic values, which place the emphasis on individual freedoms, thought and expression, redirecting religious injunctions to the private domain.

The democratic world stands on two principal pillars: the Jewish pillar - that all humans are created in God's image - and the Greek pillar, which encourages criticism of accepted thought.

So far, not a single Arab society has accepted these two foundations. On the contrary, Arab societies are increasingly moving in the direction of oppressive extremism and suppression of all independent thought and freedom.

In his books, Albert Camus, a North-African Jew who fought against French colonialism, expressed his abhorrence of the anti-modern trend of the Arab-Muslim world, but in an interview with L'Express he said, "The Arabs will have no choice but to accept the values of the West." Were he alive today, he could point to the Arab and Muslim community in the United States as a case in point, proving that under proper governmental conditions, the Arab-Muslim individual differs not at all in his aspirations for modern democracy and freedoms from his Western counterparts.

In this area, Israel can learn two things from America: the need for all immigrants and those receiving citizenship to take an individual oath of allegiance, and the importance of making the economic changes necessary to enable every Israeli Arab to advance economically, without being suffocated by red tape.

The writer is a professor of law at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) Herzliya, a former minister of education and MK, and the recipient of the 2006 Israel Prize in Law.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: islam; israel; justwaitawhile; muslims; notyetcriticalmass; rop; theyaregettingready; trop
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To: metmom
Because there’s not enough of them having infiltrated yet.

Bingo! We have a winner.

Islamization -- how it works


41 posted on 01/08/2008 6:35:55 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: SJackson
Why the muslims live in peace in the United States?

"An armed society is a polite society"

42 posted on 01/08/2008 6:40:46 AM PST by Wil H
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To: Wil H

That is true, because the Muslims know they do not know who is carrying the guns.


43 posted on 01/08/2008 6:51:58 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: durasell

...Although it starts with the second generation who starts the process in order to become a part of America.


44 posted on 01/08/2008 6:53:34 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Neoliberalnot
I haven’t read all comments but does anybody remember 911 and the numerous thwarted attempts to murder other innocent civilians? ie — blowing up Kennedy airport, and a dozen other busts around the country? These murderers don’t get their funding and support from the Christian community.

The thwarted attack on a military base in NJ, the DC snipers, the car attack in SC (NC?), shooting at the El Al counter at LAX, shooting at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle, terrorist training camps in Oregon and Ohio, it goes on an on.

The difference is that not only does the media not connect these acts with Islam, our government doesn't.

My guess the author, an Israeli, likely doesn't know about any of these attacks.

45 posted on 01/08/2008 6:53:49 AM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: SJackson

So called “peaceful” (i.e., moderate) Muslims are nothing more than “reserve soldiers” on the “home front” of Islam’s greater struggle.

Those who would believe that they do not support the ultimate goals of Islam - a worldwide caliphate - simply because they choose not to actively participate in jihad are in for a rude awakening.

- John


46 posted on 01/08/2008 6:57:02 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Slapshot68

I have to agree with your observation. I think the author has hit it right on the head. Our prisons are filled with extremists right now, and I do not think your religious orientation ( at least in this country ) has alot to do with it...


47 posted on 01/08/2008 6:57:52 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: Little Ray
Most of what Mr. Rubinstein scribbled is crap. Muslims are peaceful in the USA because they’re outnumbered 300 to 1, by folks who have, or who can get, guns, and who have a tradition of shooting back. Wait until they become 10% or more of the population and see what happens.

Damn right, the best post/answer on this thread.

48 posted on 01/08/2008 6:58:35 AM PST by Anticommie
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To: blam

Worst case of testosterone poisoning I’ve seen this year.


49 posted on 01/08/2008 6:59:09 AM PST by Valin
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To: wtc911

You said it better than I did.

Exactly right.


50 posted on 01/08/2008 7:02:31 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Anticommie

...And even at 10% the Muslims would commit social suicide because of the heavy armed American population.


51 posted on 01/08/2008 7:02:56 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

That’s definately a good reason.


52 posted on 01/08/2008 7:04:17 AM PST by Niuhuru (businesslinkshere.com)
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To: SJackson

A little history lesson to counter this claptrap from an author who might actually believe the crap he writes. The good rabbis of France bent over like good leftists do and advocated muslim immigration to, and of making Islam the second religion in France (in reality the first). How has that worked out? I mean do these people hate white men so much they must import people from a totally alien culture with historic grievances against the West to act as some sort of counterweight? Pathetic really, and all we get are the lies of PC bromides.


53 posted on 01/08/2008 7:09:07 AM PST by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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To: blam

SIXTH: I’m heavily armed and will shoot the Islamic SOB’s if they start any BS in my neighborhood.


Ditto here, neighbor!

54 posted on 01/08/2008 7:10:09 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: metmom

Ditto.


55 posted on 01/08/2008 7:10:37 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Tenacious 1

I think that pandering is dangerous. I don’t care whether it is Muslims or Christians or gays, they shouldn’t get EXTRA rights. No-one in the US should.


56 posted on 01/08/2008 7:10:49 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: SJackson

“What is the explanation of this dramatic contrast? True, the Muslim minority in the United States represents a much smaller proportion of the population than in Europe, but that alone cannot explain the distinct dissimilarity.”

Competely wrong again.


57 posted on 01/08/2008 7:11:11 AM PST by blueheron2 (Hoist the colors!)
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To: Fishrrman

I would first like to correct a serious problem in the article — the assumption the US muslims are peaceful.

I recall numerous examples of Sudden Jihad Sydrome since 9/11/2001:

DC Sniper
Muslim running over students with cars
Various mall/school attacks
The muslim covert who blew himself (and only himself) up at a football game

Etc.

Second, to answer the question “Why are muslims not MORE violent” in the USA, than they are, the answers are:

1. Not enough muslims to reach critical mass and

2. We have an armed populace who will fight back


58 posted on 01/08/2008 7:57:37 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Biggirl

You see it today in parts of Brooklyn. Arab kids driving their parents crazy by wearing the latest hip-hop fashions, etc.


59 posted on 01/08/2008 8:47:15 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Little Ray
Muslims are peaceful in the USA because they’re outnumbered 300 to 1, by folks who have, or who can get, guns, and who have a tradition of shooting back.

Wait until they become 10% or more of the population and see what happens.

Amen, and pass the ammunition.

60 posted on 01/08/2008 9:17:20 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Islam is a mental disorder.)
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