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The Climb and Decline of the Ancient Mariner: The McCain Encore
hughhewitt.townhall.com ^ | 01/11/2008 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 01/11/2008 12:19:28 PM PST by Checkers

With Michigan, South Carolina, Nevada and Florida as rest stops on the way to Super Tuesday, and with the collective credibility of pundits and pollsters shattered after Obama's staggering, run-away win in New Hampshire, it has begun to dawn on the commentariat that they have no idea what is going on in the presidential race, and that voters may be troublingly insistent on casting ballots for whomever they want regardless of the results predicted by the pros.

The GOP side is particularly scrambled, and as poster Thunder at RedState illustrates by a look ahead at the February 5 winner-take-all states:

"Rudy Giuliani is expected to win New Jersey and New York on Super Tuesday, February 5, 2008, and those states award their delegates on a winner-take-all basis.

John McCain will likely win Arizona, which is another winner-take-all state, giving him 53 delegates on Super Tuesday.

Mike Huckabee should win the winner-take-all state of Georgia, to earn him 72 points on Super Tuesday.

Mitt Romney is strong in the winner-take-all states of Massachusetts, Vermont and Utah, which yield a total of 96 delegates.

Fred Thompson can be expected to win the winner-take-all state of Tennessee, assuming he wins a majority of the votes, for a total of 55 delegates.

Total winner take out numbers Rudy Giuliani 153 Mitt Romney 96 Mike Huckabee 72 Fred Thompson 55 John McCain 53"

We can confidently look forward to waking up on Wednesday February 6 with every GOP candidate claiming some victories and many delegates, and the outline of a convention fight looming in the not-far-off distance.

No one is headed for the sidelines soon, not even Fred with the fewest votes cast in the first two contests, and certainly not Romney with the most votes and delegates as of today. Even a second place in Michigan --another open primary like Iowa and New Hampshire in which the Republican preference is obscured by the votes of Independants and even Democrats-- won't sideline Romney, despite the demands of Manhattan-Beltway scribblers and talkers. Romney raised more than $5 million the day after a second place finish in New Hampshire, and the campaign was energized by the obvious loyalty of the base Romney has built over the past year. That base will harvest delegates from now until St. Paul and put Romney in a commanding position at the convention if he simply stays in the game, and may possibly deliver the nomination if he surprises anywhere between now and the end of voting in Texas and Ohio on March 4.

But what about the McCain surge and his big win in New Hampshire? "John McCain will not get the base of the Republican Party," former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum told me this week, and Santorum proceeded to list the ways in which McCain has rejected conservative policies over the years:

"John McCain was the guy who was working with Ted Kennedy to drive it down our throats, and lectured us repeatedly about how xenophobic we were, lectured us, us being the Republican conference, about how wrong we were on this, how we were on the wrong side of history, and that you know, this is important for his…because having come from Arizona, knowing the strength of the Hispanic community, that we were going to be seen as racists, and he wasn’t going be part of that, that he was not a racist, and that if we were for tougher borders, it was a racist thing. Look, John McCain looks at things through the eyes, on these kind of domestic policy issues, looks at it through the eyes of the New York Times editorial board, and accepts that predisposition that if you are not, if you stand for conservative principles, there’s some genetic defect."

and

"[McCain's] not with us on almost all of the core issues of…on the economic side, he was against the President’s tax cuts, he was bad on immigration. On the environment, he’s absolutely terrible. He buys into the complete left wing environmentalist movement in this country. He is for bigger government on a whole laundry list of issues. He was…I mean, on medical care, I mean, he was for re-importation of drugs. I mean, you can go on down the list. I mean, this is a guy who on a lot of the core economic issues, is not even close to being a moderate, in my opinion. And then on the issue of, on social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain every took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it’s marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them. So I mean, this is just not a guy I think in the end that washes with the mainstream of the Republican Party."

This is the complete conservative critique of John McCain, and all the efforts by the MSM to encourage Republican voters to turn their eyes away from it will not work. GOP activists and conervative loyalists have been poked in those eyes too many times by Senator McCain over the past eight years to lose the memories of those assaults.

Which is not to say that Romney will win the nomination, though I hope he does. Fred Thompson rose up out of his political grave in last night's debate and hammered Mike Huckabee in terms every conservative understood to be devastatingly true. And Rudy is waiting in Florida having successfully defined victory as victory there. Huck will take his guitar and a sack of southern delegates to St. Paul, and his fans are indifferent to policy arguments.

What will decide this thing? The Luntz focus groups on Sunday and Thursday night which went overwhelmingly to Romney and Thompson respectively tell us what Republican voters prize most of all: Fight in their candidates. This may be because of what we know lies ahead in the fall, when not just an energized Dem nominee assaults them day after day, but when Soros et al unleash their tens of millions and the leftie nutroots scream BushCo and Halliburton at the top of their virtual lungs 24/7. The GOP knows it will need a fighter full of energy and optimism who will both argue the case for Reagan conservatism and do so with the graciousness and charm that will be a sharp contrast with the angry left.

Which brings us back to Senator McCain. His debate performance last night was wobbly, with meandering answers and an occasional grimace or misplaced wink. He fell back on his tired answers and many were exact repeats of Sunday night's programming. When he wandered through answer after answer it gradually dawned that he is indeed way past his prime, a Bob Dole without the energy. Sure, he tramps from event to event, but at 71 he is not the same maverick he was at 63 when the McCain phenomenon swept New Hampshire and Michigan before running into conservative reality in South Carolina. Even the McCain enthusiasts watch this aging warrior and know that he could no more win in the fall than Dole could in '96. Politics is not exclusively a young man's game, but it is most definitely not an old man's game either.

A GOP vote for McCain is a vote for a shattered base and a desultory campaign in the fall. It is a vote for lecture after lecture on global warming, campaign finance reform, and the bridge to nowhere. It is a vote for an old warrior way past his prime and the prospect of three debates against Barack Obama in which the age and energy gap goes unremarked upon while devastatingly obvious.

"[W]e’re looking at the media trying to make Barack Obama the president, and make John McCain the shill for him," Rick Santorum told me. "I think they know that John McCain can’t win this election," he concluded.

Of course they are. Of course they do. But the GOP voters won't fall for it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Hawthorn
But when this nation faces perhaps its greatest threat since the Civil War, I think it's completely irresponsible to say you'd prefer to have Hillary, Obama or Edwards as Commander-in-Chief.

There is no way in the world McCain would ever beat Obama in the general. An Old DC centrist-liberal lacking strong conservative base support against the first Black Candidate with strong liberal base support running on a Change platform. The Iraq Police Action would be a non-issue by then, which is a good thing. There is no way McCain could beat Hillary in the general. Dole could not beat Bill even after the 1994 revolution. Now we have a Dole retread running up against the First Woman President in our History. Hillary would not have strong liberal base support and McCain would not have strong conservative base support. Hillary has large negatives, but so does McCain. The race would break on the 'First Woman President' issue. So to nominate McCain is to elect either Obama or Hillary. The Republican nominee has to have strong conservative base support if winning is the goal. IMHO.

41 posted on 01/11/2008 5:35:25 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: lonevoice

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42 posted on 01/11/2008 6:13:44 PM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: justa-hairyape

You are quite off. Hillary has the worst negatives of any candidate running. But on the other hand, John McCain has the highest net favorability rating (consult Rasmussen).

The 1996 comparison is bunk for three reasons: Dole was running against an incumbent during a booming peacetime economy, McCain is a very energetic campaigner sometimes holding six or seven town halls a day tirelessly taking questions with a press meeting after every event (his staff literally needs to pull him on the bus to get to the next event he is so engaging), and Ross Perot siphoned off a lot of votes that would’ve went GOP that year.

Here’s the key to Hillary and there’s no way around it. I’ve cited her negatives and McCain’s favorables. But put simply independents loathe her and like (even love) McCain. Every occupant of the Oval Office is the one who wins independents.

As for Obama, I don’t expect he will win the nomination but if he were he would also be quite open to the charge that he does not have anything close to the experience needed to be POTUS. Never in recent times (going back many decades) has there been a nominee as inexperienced as Obama. McCain on the other hand is very much experienced would provide a stark contrast. We are at War lest we forget - the voters won’t forget either.

Finally, some polling to chew on...

Ohio (Survey USA 1/7):

McCain 50
Obama 43

Romney 39
Obama 51


43 posted on 01/11/2008 6:32:14 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Norman Bates

Why would anyone even look at a poll after New Hampshire ?


44 posted on 01/11/2008 6:35:25 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Norman Bates
Here’s the key to Hillary and there’s no way around it. I’ve cited her negatives and McCain’s favorables.

No, you have cited polls. McCain will have huge negatives that will be capitalized on during the Generals. He has frequently gone on rants and rages, he has ties to the Keating 5 and so on and so on.... Many on Freerepublic think he is nuts. How do you overcome that ?

45 posted on 01/11/2008 6:40:39 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Because they have been generally proven fairly accurate.


46 posted on 01/11/2008 6:47:48 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: justa-hairyape

I cited one specific poll (Ohio) and Rasmussen to identify favorability (which is the only way to guage nationwide without an election). I also gave you plenty to chew on - plenty. If you wish to ignore it that’s your perogative. But the information is out there.


47 posted on 01/11/2008 6:50:27 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Checkers
"Obama's staggering, run-away win in New Hampshire"

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48 posted on 01/11/2008 6:58:44 PM PST by AndrewB
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To: Checkers

I hope this article is right but if it is, then all the polls I am seeing right now are wrong.


49 posted on 01/11/2008 7:05:56 PM PST by Hattie
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To: justa-hairyape
>>Many on Freerepublic think he is nuts. How do you overcome that ? <<

For every conservative who is so angry at McCain that they would rather have Hillary as president there are 5 independents and a democrat or two who would vote for him instead of Hillary. Remember the Democrats who voted for Reagan by the millions?

McCain can get all the votes he needs from the center, not the hard right, so that we don't have to deal with socialized medicine, cancellation of Bush tax cuts, cut and run from WOT, universal pre-k, and the most repulsive aspect of a hillary presidency... Bill wandering around the white house as 1st husband with his bathrobe hanging open hitting on interns.


50 posted on 01/11/2008 7:23:58 PM PST by ParaVet93
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To: sensible centrist from NH

Obviously, you have not been around here long.


51 posted on 01/11/2008 8:33:20 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: All

Bump

52 posted on 01/11/2008 8:41:23 PM PST by yellowhammer ( Mitt Romney '08)
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To: Norman Bates
I cited one specific poll (Ohio) and Rasmussen to identify favorability (which is the only way to guage nationwide without an election).

Taking a poll or survey does not illustrate the negative characteristics a person has that can be exploited and illustrated. The poll tells you about the negative characteristics that HAVE BEEN exploited and illustrated. Or as Hillary will probably respond to them during the campaign, 'well, that is old news'. What will be McCain's rebuttal after the public is shocked to see tapes of him ranting and raving ?

53 posted on 01/11/2008 8:48:55 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

More tapes of him ranting and raving, but at members of the Jackass Party, when they were trying yet again to pull a fast one? Or him ranting and raving about the thievin' goin' on in military procurement, etc? I just hope for all of us, that if he wins the nomination, [and lacking having a baton-toss maneuver to Thompson available] that his staff has old CSPAN tapes. To fight back with.

54 posted on 01/11/2008 9:35:27 PM PST by BlueDragon (never set out to sea on a boat that has shiny pump handles...)
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Maybe they [his staff] should strike the first blows. Have him ranting and raving, right out of the gate. Heck. Start doing it now, heheh...


55 posted on 01/11/2008 9:37:10 PM PST by BlueDragon (never set out to sea on a boat that has shiny pump handles...)
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To: Checkers

whew...This seals it for me...no vote for McCain...He really is a loose cannon, just as i have suspected all along....lying, untrustworthy, a social liberal, and all for John McCain...

In another thread John Kerry- if you can believe him- said that McCain’s people even approached him about becoming a Democrat to be the VP under Kerry...

He is too weird...looks like a duck..quacks like a duck...is a BLUEbird at heart...no thanks...

Go Fred...


56 posted on 01/11/2008 9:50:02 PM PST by billmor
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To: pgkdan

Yep...In Georgia, it’s Huck 31%, McCain 18%, Romney 14%, Giuli by 9% and Thompson 8%, that’s according to the Mason-Dixon poll, a widely respected nationalpoll, as of Jan 11, 2008..Here is the URL

http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/


57 posted on 01/11/2008 10:00:11 PM PST by billmor
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To: justa-hairyape

Anything that’s going to appear like a hit job is going to backfire.


58 posted on 01/11/2008 10:16:39 PM PST by Norman Bates
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