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Pistol For Police Marketed To The Public (LAPD SIS - City & Civil Rights Leaders Outraged)
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 12, 2008 | Richard Winton

Posted on 01/12/2008 5:16:32 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Pistol for police marketed to the public

City leaders criticize the modified version of a gun originally made for an elite unit of the Los Angeles Police Department that has a history of fatal shootings.

By Richard Winton

Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

January 12, 2008

To the dismay of some city leaders, a gun company is marketing a line of high-end pistols named for the LAPD's Special Investigation Section, an elite group of plainclothes detectives with a history of fatally shooting suspects.

The guns for the undercover unit were created at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department. Kimber, a Yonkers, N.Y.-based gun maker, is marketing a slightly modified version to the public, touting the weapons as the "hot new SIS pistols" on the company's website.

For each of the more than $1,000 guns sold, Kimber says it will donate $15 to the nonprofit Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation, which provides financial support to officers and their families in times of death, injury or illness.

But news that a weapon is being marketed with an "SIS" serration -- a clear reference to the LAPD -- was met with criticism from city and civil rights leaders.

"It is very disturbing," said Councilman Jack Weiss. "If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?"

LAPD officials said the department does not endorse the gun but has no control over how the manufacturer markets the weapon.

Regarding questions about the weapons marketed to the public, Police Chief William J. Bratton dismissed the topic as a "nonissue," calling it "foolish."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 45acp; banglist; cops; firearm; handgun; lapd; leo; losangeles; pistol; secondamendment; sis
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To: DogByte6RER

“If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?”

What the.. ?
HUH ?
I’m just going to pretend I didn’t even read this, gawd...


41 posted on 01/12/2008 7:04:52 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: WOBBLY BOB

no way man, that could be called an assault weapon... you could easily make the stock foldable and the flash suppressor/muzzle brake? that’s a big no no !


42 posted on 01/12/2008 7:08:55 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: R_Kangel

I trained with the Kimber Arms LAPD SWAT version built on a tight 1911 frame.”

Does that make it basically a 1911?


43 posted on 01/12/2008 7:12:27 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Hey Sis! Meet The Bro!
44 posted on 01/12/2008 7:19:26 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: DogByte6RER
They always keep the focus on the gun. Never people.

Like guns have special magical powers, in a society that officially does not believe in magic.

If a gun is used in a crime, it is ritually killed, when the perp walks in a few years.

So this design is “implicated” in numerous killings, when the people holding the magical guns are those who walk deliberately into very dangerous situations. Some evil force has permeated the very mainspring of this gun, and if civilians get them, they too will be forced to kill.

I think we need an official gun exorcism ceremony to make the antis feel better about these supernatural emanations from machined steel.

45 posted on 01/12/2008 7:20:54 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Secret Agent Man
The Kimber is very smooth to fire and easy to control. I would imagine the weight
of this model "Steel" could counter balance the recoil, but I see no
difference from the Standard Kimber. Accept for the polished actions,
which is achievable in any firearm. Overall, a damn fine weapon thats overpriced. IMO.
46 posted on 01/12/2008 7:46:40 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: DogByte6RER
LAPD's Special Investigation Section, an elite group of plainclothes
detectives with a history of fatally shooting suspects.


IIRC, this is the group that occassionally tails suspect criminals
(armed theft, bank robbers).
I think a couple of the unit were in place when a small armed theft
gang held up a store in the San Fernando Valley...and that was
the end of that gang (ventilated with plenty of in-and-out bullet holes).
Hearing about some thugs getting their own medicine from the
good guys: "PRICELESS!"
47 posted on 01/12/2008 7:54:06 PM PST by VOA
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To: Secret Agent Man
"It’s not like this gun is any better than any other 1911 model. It just has a dorky SIS pattern at the front and back of the slide."

I don't dispute the quality of Kimbers pistols. I've got one or two of them in my own harem, but it does seem silly sometimes how gun companies sell guns like they are cars anymore.

I personally value skill more than designer guns or all the gadgets and lingerie people buy for them. I'd rather be someone who is genuinely skilled with a Ruger P90 than some poseur with a Wilson Combat Super Grade. I've seen plenty of both.

48 posted on 01/12/2008 7:57:57 PM PST by VR-21
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To: philetus
"Does that make it basically a 1911?"

Pretty much so in the design end, however it is much tighter in the construction and a few mods that make it more user friendly. For instance the grip safety and Its extended base enabled you to rest the thumb of your shooting hand on top of the manual safety lever otherwise you might inadvertently apply the slim speed safety during firing. The construction of the weapon is slightly different than the basic 1911 .45 but I found the functionality better and it was more accurate and practical than the original design.

49 posted on 01/12/2008 8:25:17 PM PST by R_Kangel (`)
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To: DogByte6RER
“There is something fundamentally wrong with the commercial sales of these highly specialized weapons to the public,” said civil rights attorney Carol Sobel.”

What’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander

And she needs her tuition money back from law school.

50 posted on 01/12/2008 8:40:59 PM PST by Greg67
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To: DogByte6RER
It's just another 1911 pattern pistol in .45Auto. What's the big deal? Kimber makes a good product. So so many other companies. This is more a reflection of the illiteracy and incompetence of a loud mouth politician than anything of substance.
51 posted on 01/12/2008 8:49:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Greg67
And she needs her tuition money back from law school.

Along with debarment for gross ignorance of the law.

52 posted on 01/12/2008 8:51:33 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
"It's just another 1911 pattern pistol in .45Auto. What's the big deal? Kimber makes a good product. So so many other companies. This is more a reflection of the illiteracy and incompetence of a loud mouth politician than anything of substance."

Well said, I agree with you.

53 posted on 01/12/2008 8:56:34 PM PST by VR-21
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To: R_Kangel

I know you can make a 1911 tight and very accurate with the right aftermarket parts, but I guess at the price of a genuine 1911 and the cost of converting it it would be easier to buy the Kimber.

What do you think of Desert Eagle? .45 .40


54 posted on 01/12/2008 9:00:03 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: VR-21
I also agree. It must be a slow news day for the gun grabbers. They are making a mountain out of nothing. Smoke and mirrors!!!!!
This pistol isn't any more deadly than 10 million others.
It's a crock from the word go.
55 posted on 01/12/2008 9:02:03 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: DogByte6RER
"If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?"

Depends on whether they needed shooting. But assuming they did not, I guess you'd prefer they would be shot with a stolen WW-I era, but functionally the same, version firing the exact same ammunition?

56 posted on 01/12/2008 9:03:09 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: DogByte6RER
What is more disturbing is that an elected official is such a political ignoramus that he fails to recognize the importance of the second Amendment.

Or is it that the leftists are TOO wise and remember that phrase in the Declaration of Independence about the “right” of the people to abolish a government which abuses their basic human rights?

Considering where government is going in America, I think it the latter.

57 posted on 01/12/2008 9:09:11 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: DogByte6RER
“that has a history of fatal shootings.”...?

A safe gun will not have a history of fatal shootings.

58 posted on 01/12/2008 9:12:50 PM PST by ThomasThomas ( _/|\_)
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To: ThomasThomas
A safe gun will not have a history of fatal shootings.

I bought my kid one of those fer Christmas. It fires a 1/2" diameter slug that's more than 2 1/2 inches long!

Oh, and the coolest part of all: it's bright yellow and has the name "NERF" emblazoned on both sides.

59 posted on 01/12/2008 9:22:26 PM PST by HKMk23 (AUT VINCERI AUT MORI)
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To: oldenuff2no
is not the gun...is the reasoning
police = part of government

We are not supposed to have same thing. Perfect communist state of mind

60 posted on 01/12/2008 9:38:38 PM PST by Greg67
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