Posted on 01/19/2008 8:02:20 PM PST by counterpunch
Home, just like I always said I would. I'll be writing in Hunter in November.
How did it ever come to this?
“I’ll be writing in Hunter in November.”
Me too, it seems.
There aren’t enough supporters to make a difference in the VOTE.
But they are loud enough and vocal enough and hateful enough that they have had a depressing effect on Thompson’s natural base of support in places like FR, where the official conservative consensus is forged.
Had it not been for Hunter’s band of haters — this election’s version of Keye’s 2000 supporters — then there would have never been any contention over FRed as the conservative choice here, and thus anywhere else.
So thanks a lot Hunterites. You’ve really screwed us this time!
You must be proud, you did what Alan Keyes wasn’t able to do 8 years ago.
No, Franklin would say we really didn’t try because we were trying to rob Peter to pay Paul. At least, as G.B. Shaw said, we would then have Paul’s support.
It is silly to blame Duncan Hunter for Fred Thompson’s situation. In earlier polls Fred Thompson was tied with Rudy Giuliani with 25 to 30 % each. But what happened? Do you think Duncan Hunter did something to him that caused him to fall in the minds of the electorate? No, think back. He had a bit of a run in with Dr. James Dobson. Instead of trying to work things out, he decided he did not need Dobson and was the darling of the anti-Christian set for not kissing up. He won a great battle in their minds, but lost the war because all the Evangelicals who thought he might be their champion, fled. He fell to the mid-teens back in the pack with the rest of the also rans where he has been ever since.
The Evangelicals chose Huckabee as their champion and now he polls higher than Thompson. To blame Thompson’s situation on Hunter means either you have a very poor memory or you just have some personal problem with him. I don’t know which it is, but Hunter is the last person you can blame for Thompson’s current poor showing.
Unfortunately Hunter has had his own motives, and was never interested in helping conservatives regain control of the GOP.
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Would you care to expand on that statement and enlighten all of us neophytes as to what you base that on?
What “We” Conservatives need is someone to head us up, the DC crowd does not put forward Conservative Leaders, they try and sucker “us” into voting for their dross that pretends to be Conservatives.
Many many people remember Reagen as President, what they forget is Reagen lost his bid for the Nomination..twice, in the meantime he spoke at Conservative Events, wrote Editorials, everyone “knew” Reagen.
We don’t have that now, when Huck and McCain can pretend to be more Conservative then Thompson and Hunter, there is a failure at some level.
Speculation is your head will permanently be buried in your backside.
That he bravely served his country 40 years ago does not cause us to forget the enormous political damage he did to this country just in the last 8 years.
Try waving your boogie man Clinton some where else. Voting for the politically stupid just because he isn't politically evil is still voting for stupid. Try selling your rah rah "party uber alles" BS somewhere else. After 30 years of watching you clowns in action I am done buying this stupid ignorant crap from mindless party water boys.
Screaming hysteric insults at everyone does NOT answer the legitimate points I raised here. TRY again. Factually and rationally address this or quit wasting my time you foolish child.
Convince me. Address the facts. Make a rational case for John McCain. Just screaming rah rah political nonsense because you have a mindlessly emotion based adoration for John McCain's Cult of Personality wrapped in a hysteric ignorant fear of Hillary Clinton will NOT win you one single vote here.
Exhibit. American Conservative Union rates McCain 45th, out of 49 Republican Senators this week.
No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.
With any of the other candidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.
With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mislabeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.
Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.
Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?
How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.
Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook
McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.
McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.
Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!
McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.
Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.
At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected President.
Maybe Duncan should have campaigned!
Maybe Duncan should have campaigned!
No real choice.
Also on FR there are a number of folks who can’t help themselves with their snide remarks.
They find it easier to bash conservatives than democrats.
And then the L Ron Paulites with their Marxist and neo Fascist views who are still allowed on FR to bash Conservative Republicans.
counterpunch...you’re a sick puppy.
Good analysis. Remember too that FDT was a Ford Republican, not a Reagan man.
I can’t argue much of what you said, but one part wasn’t quite right.
“the Democrats would get all the political fall-out of their disastrous political decisions”
No, the Dems won’t. If they win the WH and screw it up, get ready for 4 years of “It’s Bush’s fault!”, and half the country will buy into it.
Don’t blame us your candidate didn’t enter earlier and sat back and coasted.
To bad you can’t face reality. Grow up.
There has been a leadership void for some years.
The problem in a nut shell
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