Senior Saudi prince offers Israel peace vision [Lays out terms of surrender]

YNet ^ | Jan. 20, 2008

[Alouette]

Israel's answer to Prince Al Turki should be: "bite me."

[Alouette]

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[ketsu]

Israel's answer to Prince Al Turki should be: "bite me."

Meh... there's more to the Saudi plan than meets the eye. The Saudis and the rest of the arab US clients(Kuwait, Qatar, the UAE etc...) are desperate to get out from under Iran's shadow. Normalized relations with Israel go a long way towards tilting the balance of power back in their favor. Syria is also showing signs of being amenable to a Libya style turn around, assuming they can get security guarantees.

The MSM is terrible for this sort of news. It's much better to read primary sources or listen to policy makers talk amongst themselves.

[grey_whiskers]

"Screws the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS"^TM We should've just taken over the entire Middle East when we went after Saddam anyway.

It's not like the Democrat accusations would've been any different anyway :-)

Cheers!

[sargunner]

>>Israel and the Arabs could cooperate in many areas including water, agriculture, science and education.<<

Excellent observation...

Israel would provide the water, agriculture, science and education.
The arabs would allow Israelis to live another day.

[reefdiver]

At least it’s a sign that maybe they too are getting tired of war.

[Toadman]

Original quote: Alpher said he hoped that once there was a comprehensive peace, Israel's Arab neighbours would accept Israelis "as Jewish people living a sovereign life in our historic homeland" and not as "Arab Jews" or "European Jews".

Now let's break down the last part: "as Jewish people living a sovereign life in our historic homeland"

Or more succinctly: "as Jews living in our homeland"

IMHO this is a ploy to counter perceived Persian hegemony which scares the mohammed out of the Saudi's et al.

Once the Persian is no longer considered a threat they'll again focus their attention on the Jew living in the Moslem homeland.

[svcw]

Normalize relations with Israel are you daft?
Do you honestly believe that an arab country wants Israel to even exists?

[Alouette]

At least it’s a sign that maybe they too are getting tired of war.

The Saudis have been promoting this old tired ("Israel gives up everything and we will think about acknowledging their right to exist") since 2001.

BTW what "wars" have they been fighting that they are "tired of"? Saudis never fought a war, not even to defend their fake "kingdom" which was given to them by the British out of the Turkish empire.

[C210N]

full withdrawal from occupied Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese land

What a fantastic deal! And if this goes really well, as I'm sure it would, there is that other piece of land for full withdrawal. You know, that piece in the middle of the middle east.

[ketsu]

At least it’s a sign that maybe they too are getting tired of war.

LOL... you wish. It's more a matter of them realizing that it's far better to live in the status quo with the Israelis than let Iran continue to infiltrate and undermine them from within.

One thing that doesn't get much play in the western media is how many Iranian agents there are crawling around the gulf states. That's one of the reasons the Saudis are so dead set against a US attack on Iran. They know that Iran will punish the west indirectly, through massive terrorism aimed at *them*. It's also why they're buying up lots of weapons. They're *scared*.

[ontap]

I think it’s a sign that they see the terrorist threat that they started has gotten out of hand and is now as big a threat to them as us. In Iraq we have shown them that we are going to be on the winning side and that’s where they want to be. If the damn democrats don’t pull the rug out from under us.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

I think it’s telling that the Syrians have quit yapping about the Golan Heights after the IAF first shut down their entire air defense network and then blasted their North Korean built reactor back in September.

[ketsu]

What a fantastic deal! And if this goes really well, as I'm sure it would, there is that other piece of land for full withdrawal. You know, that piece in the middle of the middle east

Hysteria aside, right now the Saudis want a strong Israel. Remember how the Saudis were rah-rahing Israel against Hizbollah? The Saudis care far more about Iran.

[ketsu]

I think it’s telling that the Syrians have quit yapping about the Golan Heights after the IAF first shut down their entire air defense network and then blasted their North Korean built reactor back in September.

From what I read that wasn't a reactor. The Israelis thought it was a plutonium processing plant, which would be far worse. You're right though, it definitely shut them up.

[Cinnamon]

true. how long are they gonna fight? they’re gonna run out of suicide bombers at some point. And the sane ones are seeing no results of Decades of conflict.

[Pietro]

"At least it’s a sign that maybe they too are getting tired of war."

I hope and pray that you are right. This Gordian knot is at the center of our issues w/ Islam and the Arabs. A saudi prince laying out a pathway to normalization carries far more weight than any "peace plan" cooked up in Washington, at least w/ the Arabs.

Only the Arabs can call off the dogs on intafada.

[trek]

"One can imagine not just economic, political and diplomatic relations between Arabs and Israelis but also issues of education, scientific research, combating mutual threats to the inhabitants of this vast geographic area"

"MHO this is a ploy to counter perceived Persian hegemony which scares the mohammed out of the Saudi's et al"

Bingo! You are the first one to get it. The Saudis are driving all the recent events in the middle east. And if they have to make deal with the Israelis to save the Kingdom from the Khomeiniacs they will do it. Imagine that, it will be the Israelis who have the Saudis' back in this conflict. It is a very strange world we live in. Well, maybe not so strange when you think about it.

[MarkL]

Who knows? If Israel follows this plan, there could be "peace in our times!"

Mark

[toddlintown]

I thinks the Israelis need a little more assurance than “...one can imagine...”