Senior Saudi prince offers Israel peace vision [Lays out terms of surrender]

YNet ^ | Jan. 20, 2008

[devere]

The deal-killer in the Saudi plan is allowing the return of anyone claiming to be a descendant of a Palestinian refugee to Israel. In essence, Israel would cease to exist.

Along with partitioning Jerusalem, perhaps there should also be a partition of Medina. According to the Quran, there used to be a large Jewish community there before they were killed and driven out by Muhammad.

[metesky]

Much better and closer really to what he means.

[iThinkBig]

Asked what message he wanted to send to the Israeli public, he said: “The Arab world, by the Arab peace initiative, has crossed the Rubicon from hostility towards Israel to peace with Israel and has extended the hand of peace to Israel, and we await the Israelis picking up our hand and joining us in what inevitably will be beneficial for Israel and for the Arab world.”

Hmmm. Sounds great guy but first the Saudi’s may want to make this believable by PHYSICALLY shaking hands with Israel which they refused to do at Annapolis.

[Alouette]

the Saudi’s may want to make this believable by PHYSICALLY shaking hands with Israel which they refused to do at Annapolis.

They refused even to enter through the same door as a JOO.

[SJackson]

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[El Gato]

it's very much like watching an animal psychologist expecting rational behavior from a pack of rabid chimpanzees.

An insult to chimpanzees. Even rabid ones. At least they don't believe there is some ancient chimp down in a well who will come out to save the world, if you can just destroy it first.

[El Gato]

Along with partitioning Jerusalem, perhaps there should also be a partition of Medina. According to the Quran, there used to be a large Jewish community there before they were killed and driven out by Muhammad.

And what about all the Shepardic and other Jews forced out of countries all over the Muslim world? Do their descendents get a right of return, or at least compensation. From the pillars of Hercules to the Tigris and Euphrates valley. With the most recent bunch (of any size) being from Ethiopia. One notable group around 45,000 were spirited out of Yemen in 1950 in Operation Magic Carpet. At the same time, Jews were evacuated from Aden (now part of Yemen), Djibouti, and Asmara in Eritrea.

[Grizzled Bear]

If the Arabs/Palis lay down their arms there will be no more war. If the Israelis lay down their arms there will be no more Israelis.

[dennisw]

Hysteria aside, right now the Saudis want a strong Israel. Remember how the Saudis were rah-rahing Israel against Hizbollah? The Saudis care far more about Iran.

And all Israel has to do is give up Golan Heights, all of West Bank for the Saudis & Arabs to make peace with Israel
How about the "right of return" to flood the Israel that is still left with Muslims?

Israel made a test withdrawal from Gaza and now gets rocket barrages from Gaza that make parts of Israel near unlivable

[Doe Eyes]

Israel's answer to Prince Al Turki should be: "bite me."

So your issue is that you don't get oral sex?

[dennisw]

As long as Israel exists, (heck, as long as the west exists), they will have something to be angry about.

The real problem is Israel never accepts the loss of Muslim land.
They want Spain back
They want the land back that Israel sits on

Apart from land they once controlled, Islam's ideology is to make Jihad until the whole world is Muslim and the Caliphate is brought back to rule it. Jihad goes dormant for decades and centuries when Muslims have no chance military but as soon as their forces and armies look good they engage in war and Jihad against the non Muslims

So Israel and the Saudis/Arabs can sign any peace treaty they want but the Muslims will always be back with more demands. If not in a year or a decade then in a generation. The Arab world is swamped with radical preachers who preach eternal Jihad and the younger generation is listening

[Alouette]

Don’t project.

[bvw]

Jewish tribes lived and traveled bedouin-like throughout Saudi, and even fought alongside Mohammed’s armies until the Mohammed turned on them. To me, Mohammed’s turn about against the Jews was parallel to how Luther centuries-later turned on them.

[ketsu]

BS.

"full withdrawal from occupied Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese land"

THAT MEANS ALL OF ISRAEL.

There is not one pali or syrian map, flag or protocol that does not state that ALL OF ISRAEL is on muslim land.

Look up "israel "phased plan."

Those are LEFTIST Israeli policy planners).

In return forgiving up the Golan, Israel allows itself to be shelled into destruction, as well as losing early warning radar.

While you are at it, please be sure and show the benefits of giving up Gaza....

The arab countries would probably like cookies and ponies for everybody too. It doesn't mean they'll get them. Their maps are equally meaningful.

Jordan and Egypt wanted the same thing 30 years ago. However the reality of the situation is quite different now isn't it?

My sources are hardly leftist unless you consider anybody to the left of the National Union "left wing".

The Golan mattered 20 years ago, not now. Any deal on the Golan will come with access to US satellite data, eliminating the need for radar, and demilitarized zones farther into Syria in order to limit artillery. Although artillery is less important in the current age of missiles. So your argument doesn't work.

Withdrawing from Gaza also served its purpose(to its implementers, not that I necessarily agree morally), removing Israeli responsibility from a demographic timebomb for the relatively cheap price of missiles in Sderot(cheap because the residents of Sderot are majority new residents of Israel and poor, it's not like missiles are falling on Olmert's house).

What many "defenders" of Israel don't understand is that Israel's worst enemy is not the arab states but Palestinian demographics. That's why the Israeli government is desperate for a two-state solution before a "one-state" solution is imposed on Israel externally.

[ketsu]

And all Israel has to do is give up Golan Heights, all of West Bank for the Saudis & Arabs to make peace with Israel

How about the "right of return" to flood the Israel that is still left with Muslims? Israel made a test withdrawal from Gaza and now gets rocket barrages from Gaza that make parts of Israel near unlivable

The Saudis don't give a hoot about the Palis. It's just lip service. When push comes to shove, they'll(probably with lots of cash from the US too, your tax dollars at work) pay off the Palis to live in the new Palestinian statelet.

Gaza is the same. The Israeli gov could care less about Sderot. Its people are poor and politically weak. Gaza demographics were far more dangerous. If the attacks on Sderot give certain parties of the government political leverage all the better.

[G8 Diplomat]

which was given to them by the British out of the Turkish empire.

Huh? Saudi Arabia was founded when Ibn Saud and the Wahhabis conquered the squabbling Arab tribes of the Arabian peninsula and unified them into one kingdom, called Saudi Arabia. Britain didn't give it to him.

[M. Espinola]

Saudis=Wahhabist terrorism. Shove their oil-blood money!

[sheik yerbouty]

The Saudis are grabassticists. “bite me” might not be the right phrase here. perhaps “kuss em*q ibn sharmuta!” would be more to the point..

[sheik yerbouty]

Both stolen from the “Exodus” movie poster...