Senior Saudi prince offers Israel peace vision [Lays out terms of surrender]

YNet ^ | Jan. 20, 2008

[RouxStir]

There are three major principles used by Arabs in all negotiations:
1. Lie. 2. Cheat. 3. Steal.

[ketsu]

It’s non-sequi*tur*. I guess I missed the “Ri-i-i-ight” method of refuting an argument in logic and rhetoric.

[truemiester]

The wiping out...er...integration...of Israel in the Arab world, proposed by Sheik Engulf and Sultan Devour.

[metesky]

Prince Turki al-Faisal, adviser to King Abdullah, says if Israel accepts Arab League plan and signs comprehensive peace, 'one can imagine the integration of Israel into the Arab geographical entity'

Arabs seldom say what they mean, so let me fix this for the turkey, er, Turki:

Prince Turki al-Faisal, adviser to King Abdullah, says if Israel accepts Arab League plan and signs comprehensive peace, 'one can imagine the integration absorbtion of Israel into the Arab geographical political entity'

There...

[StAnDeliver]

"Muhammad said: Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" -- Ahmad, 6.459.

[ketsu]

You forgot what Muhammad said after that:

“If telling the truth gets you more woman, booze and money, go for it!”

[El Gato]

'one can imagine the integration of Israel into the Arab geographical entity'

I'm sure that makes the Israelis feel all warm and fuzzy. Or would that be hot and furious?

[El Gato]

A senior Saudi royal has offered Israel a vision of broad cooperation with the Arab world and people-to-people contacts if it signs a peace treaty and withdraws from all occupied Arab territories.

Of course "All Arab territories" would d include Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa and every where else in Israel, both pre and post '67 war.

[El Gato]

"We will start thinking of Israelis as Arab Jews rather than simply as Israelis,"

Not exactly a statement to warm the cockles of the Israelis' hearts. Might inflame their livers though.

[farmer18th]

The sooner they deal with the Palestinian and Iranian problems the sooner they can get back to lives of gilded debauchery.

That guilded debauchery keeps getting interrupted by the trailer-park Wahabis in the kingdom. The notion that you can "play" an Arab would be comic, if it were not so dangerous. Sooner or later we will have to declare the homestead act and finish up what Urban II started.

[bvw]

Thanks for the spelling correction. You see, I correct your logic of debate and you correct my spelling. Fair trade in practise.

[Alouette]

Prince Turki al-Faisal, adviser to King Abdullah, says if Israel accepts Arab League plan and signs comprehensive peace, 'one can imagine the integration absorbtion assimilation of Israel into the Arab geographical political entity Borg'

[ketsu]

Yawn... do you even know what “non-sequitur” means? Methinks you’ve never taken a logic class. Did you have a proposition or an argument hidden in *really small type* in the middle of your “r-i-g-h-t”? Or did you read about non-sequitur on the net when you were trying to learn how to sound smart?

[bvw]

Non sequitador.

[ketsu]

That guilded debauchery keeps getting interrupted by the trailer-park Wahabis in the kingdom. The notion that you can "play" an Arab would be comic, if it were not so dangerous. Sooner or later we will have to declare the homestead act and finish up what Urban II started.

The trailer parkers still exist. But most of the Arab-Israeli friction comes from state actors inflaming their own populations. Without a Palestinian problem to whine about and the Shi'ites being a far more pressing issue, I would expect them to devote themselves to blowing up Shi'ites since they have to be angry about something. A win-win as far as I'm concerned.

[TADSLOS]

Borrowing the eloquent words of BG Anthony McCauliffe, Bastone, Belgium, 1944:

NUTSPAH!

[El Gato]

Without Syria Hizbollah withers on the vine. No access to weapons

Syria is in bed with Iran, which supplies weapons and training to the "Part of God". The banner of Hezbollah bears a striking resemblance to that of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. You know, the same guys who manned those speedboats that attempted to harass our ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

Blue is IRG, Yellow is Hezbollah

[ketsu]

Syria is in bed with Iran, which supplies weapons and training to the "Part of God". The banner of Hezbollah bears a striking resemblance to that of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. You know, the same guys who manned those speedboats that attempted to harass our ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

Blue is IRG, Yellow is Hezbollah

You need the context of the rest of the thread. Part of the Saudi deal is bringing Syria into the Saudi and Israeli sphere in return for the Golan.

[farmer18th]

As long as Israel exists, (heck, as long as the west exists), they will have something to be angry about. Whenever I see neo-cons like Condi or the lunatic left like Jimmy Carter attempting to mediate on behalf of Muslim states, it's very much like watching an animal psychologist expecting rational behavior from a pack of rabid chimpanzees.

Respectfully, (really), I believe you are fooling yourself.

[ketsu]

As long as Israel exists, (heck, as long as the west exists), they will have something to be angry about. Whenever I see neo-cons like Condi or the lunatic left like Jimmy Carter attempting to mediate on behalf of Muslim states, it's very much like watching an animal psychologist expecting rational behavior from a pack of rabid chimpanzees.

Respectfully, (really), I believe you are fooling yourself.

Meh... the ME is remarkably deterministic. Things just take time. Until the '80s the ME was the center of a proxy war between the US and the Soviets. Then Islamic Iran entered the equation. Now it's Shi'ite(Iran and its proxies) vs Sunnis(our proxies) and Israel. It's slowly but surely swinging towards equilibrium.

The wild card is China. If China becomes a military as well as economic superpower then it's Katy bar the door. If they get their greedy little fingers in the pie(not that they don't now, but their power is limited) it will be anarchy.