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Woman Accused Of Cutting 100-Year-Old Tahoe Trees
AP via CBS 19 ^ | 01/23/08

Posted on 01/24/2008 12:08:13 PM PST by MotleyGirl70

A federal grand jury has indicted an Incline Village woman for allegedly hiring a crew to cut down three large pine trees up to a century old on U.S. Forest Service land at Lake Tahoe.

58-year-old Patricia Vincent was indicted by the grand jury in Reno last week on two charges, including theft of government property. If convicted, she faces up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine for each count.

The three ponderosa pine trees from 80 to 100 years old were growing on a national forest lot the Forest Service had designated as environmentally sensitive as part of a plan to help protect the clarity of Lake Tahoe. The property is across the street from the Incline Village Championship Golf Course designed by Robert Trent Jones Senior.

The indictment accuses Vincent of hiring a commercial tree removal business in April to cut down the trees to enhance her view. The indictment says the damage exceeded $10,000.

Vincent could not immediately be reached for comment.



TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: forests; laketahoe; laketahoetrees
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I love how this woman think she's entitled to a view of Lake Tahoe.

This "poor" woman doesn't have the view she wants so, what the heck cut down a few 80 year-old ponderosa pines on government property.

1 posted on 01/24/2008 12:08:16 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: MotleyGirl70

What a b-i.


2 posted on 01/24/2008 12:09:20 PM PST by Slapshot68
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To: MotleyGirl70

Probably figured no one would notice.


3 posted on 01/24/2008 12:10:41 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Yeah, give her the chair.

Meanwhile charges still haven’t been filed against Clinton and Gore for cutting down trees on government property so they could make a joint announcement of a park dedication in Utah, against the wishes of the state.


4 posted on 01/24/2008 12:11:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: MotleyGirl70

And she probably drives a hybrid.


5 posted on 01/24/2008 12:11:09 PM PST by Spok (Now a confirmed one issue voter; RTKBA.)
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To: MotleyGirl70
The property is across the street from the Incline Village Championship Golf Course designed by Robert Trent Jones Senior.

Back in the good old days, RT Jones could run a bulldozer amok through such forests, build a golf course, and everyone hailed it as progress.

6 posted on 01/24/2008 12:12:43 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MotleyGirl70

“..she faces up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine for each count.”

I suspect that view will be somewhat less appealing than what she was trying for.


7 posted on 01/24/2008 12:13:57 PM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: MotleyGirl70

I have a piece of rental property in Florida. My elderly neighbor had someone go into my back yard and cut down a tree that was casting too much shade in her yard. When it fell, it crushed her fence, so she sent me a bill for half.

I’m sure she suppoerts McCain.


8 posted on 01/24/2008 12:16:29 PM PST by Soliton (Mitt/Huck 2008 "The 50 State Solution ")
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To: Rennes Templar
I bet she'll get 6 months in jail and the $250,000 fine for each tree stands.

If anything this case will set a good precedence.

I can't stand self-righteous people like this.

9 posted on 01/24/2008 12:20:28 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: MotleyGirl70
I grew up in the Berkshire hills in western Massachusetts. People would move to the area and build houses on the side of a hill and then cut down all the trees so they could get a better view. Sometimes someone would move in across the valley and they would do the same thing, so both of them had a nice view of stumps and the other guys ugly house.
10 posted on 01/24/2008 12:20:35 PM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

What she failed to do was either make a large donation to the democrat of choice, of the regulators, or get elected to office before taking down the trees. Either would have insulated her.


11 posted on 01/24/2008 12:21:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
Meanwhile charges still haven’t been filed against Clinton and Gore for cutting down trees on government property so they could make a joint announcement of a park dedication in Utah, against the wishes of the state.

All animals are equal...except some animals are more equal than others.

12 posted on 01/24/2008 12:22:04 PM PST by Osage Orange ("Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar" - Bob Kerry)
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To: Soliton

“I have a piece of rental property in Florida. My elderly neighbor had someone go into my back yard and cut down a tree that was casting too much shade in her yard. When it fell, it crushed her fence, so she sent me a bill for half”

I would send her a bill back for the cost of the tree... if it was large enough then it could be in the 5 digit level...


13 posted on 01/24/2008 12:23:01 PM PST by djl_sa (a sad republican.... looking forward to 2008)
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To: Rennes Templar
I suspect that view will be somewhat less appealing than what she was trying for.

..can I have those three bars removed so I can see better?

14 posted on 01/24/2008 12:25:20 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Osage Orange

Bingo!


15 posted on 01/24/2008 12:27:24 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: MotleyGirl70

I was reading an old Richard Scarry children’s book to my daughter the other night. There was a section on how the lumber industry works. A specific passage, and I read it just a bit louder, cracked me up:

“this tree is nearly 100 years old, and ready for cutting”.

Well, I read it a bit louder because Grammy, a real non-thinking “parrot” of a lib, was in the room, too. She took exception to this passage and said something. I said, “yeah, it’s not like we can’t plant more trees.”


16 posted on 01/24/2008 12:30:56 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Take a walk to the lake and look at it?


17 posted on 01/24/2008 12:32:43 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Property values in Tahoe, go up significantly if you have even a partial view of Lake Tahoe. Many “views” easily raise the values over six figures!


18 posted on 01/24/2008 12:33:37 PM PST by rjamesca
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To: MotleyGirl70

Get a grip folks. These were three second-growth trees next to a golf course. Make her pay damages and do some community service.


19 posted on 01/24/2008 12:35:44 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
Get a grip folks.

No, you get a grip.

These were not her trees to cut down.

If they were on her property I obviously don't care, but they weren't.

20 posted on 01/24/2008 12:47:03 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: rjamesca
Many “views” easily raise the values over six figures!

Well, it looks like she just significantly raised her property value. I'm sure she'll be very happy with her improved view once she serves her stink in the clink.

21 posted on 01/24/2008 12:58:15 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: MotleyGirl70

The fine should be 250 million for each offense.


22 posted on 01/24/2008 1:08:32 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: DoughtyOne

Those two butt wipes did not cut down 100 year old trees. But I doubt if you understand the difference.


23 posted on 01/24/2008 1:10:32 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: MotleyGirl70

If she was a judge in Seattle she could get away with it. The judge cut down a whole hill side. The trees were blocking his view. I believe he had to pay $10,000.


24 posted on 01/24/2008 1:12:19 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: mbynack
Sometimes someone would move in across the valley and they would do the same thing, so both of them had a nice view of stumps and the other guys ugly house.

That goes on in virginia all the time.

25 posted on 01/24/2008 1:12:58 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Sheez. You people ever hear of a fire break?


26 posted on 01/24/2008 1:13:36 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

You ever hear of breaking the law?


27 posted on 01/24/2008 1:16:16 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: MotleyGirl70

Not her trees, not on her property, send a clear message and make her pay!


28 posted on 01/24/2008 1:17:18 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: MrB
I was reading an old Richard Scarry children’s book to my daughter the other night. There was a section on how the lumber industry works. A specific passage, and I read it just a bit louder, cracked me up:

“this tree is nearly 100 years old, and ready for cutting”.

What Do People Do All Day I love that book!

29 posted on 01/24/2008 1:18:29 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Vote Republican in 2008 or President Hillary Clinton will be reading your FBI file!!!)
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To: BigBobber
Get a grip folks. These were three second-growth trees next to a golf course. Make her pay damages and do some community service.

Is it okay if I don't? They weren't her trees and it wasn't her property. Taking something that isn't yours to enrich yourself (a better view is absolutely worth money when you go to sell your home) is stealing. We don't just fine thieves and send them on their way. Taking that which isn't yours is theft. Not to mention destruction of property.

Try to stop focusing on the trees and look at what she did - she unjustly enriched herself

30 posted on 01/24/2008 1:19:43 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: org.whodat

Nah, I really don’t understand twenty to thirty foot trees vs one hundred foot trees. I wonder what the 100 foot trees started out like? Do you think it was 97 foot trees, or perhaps more like 92 foot trees?

Over the last century, there have been countless trees taken down for this purpose or that. Golf course??? Hmmm, I wonder how many hundreds were taken down for that, and how many people went to prison for it.

Three trees? Dang if it isn’t beginning to sound like Al Gore is posting on the forum.


31 posted on 01/24/2008 1:20:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: MaxMax

Spot on.


32 posted on 01/24/2008 1:20:58 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: MotleyGirl70

okay. Guess you missed the invisible “/s” tag. ;~)


33 posted on 01/24/2008 1:23:14 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Oops! Sorry about that. I’m usually pretty good at detecting sarcasm; not this time : (


34 posted on 01/24/2008 1:27:00 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: MotleyGirl70
My first thought:

"There it is. The Griswald family Christmas Tree."

35 posted on 01/24/2008 1:29:29 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: DoughtyOne; Osage Orange

Actually they never got near Utah -— afraid I guess.
They used the Grand Canyon in Arizona as the background for the signing. Grand Staircas-Escalante National Park, UT or whatever.


36 posted on 01/24/2008 1:31:35 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: MotleyGirl70
It seems the commercial tree company would know about the laws and educate the woman. What she did was wrong, but 10 years in prison is ridiculous.
37 posted on 01/24/2008 1:31:40 PM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: TaMoDee

You’re absolutely right. If I stated they cut down trees in Utah, I was wrong and you are right to point it out.

Thanks for the correction.


38 posted on 01/24/2008 1:34:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
Over the last century, there have been countless trees taken down for this purpose or that. Golf course???

If they were on private property it is none of my business, the lady cut down trees not on her property. Try posting about the article, it works better that way.

39 posted on 01/24/2008 1:36:21 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: MotleyGirl70; All

Folks, my comments here make it seem I don’t care if old growth trees are cut down on government property by someone who shouldn’t have done it.

What would be more accurate would be to say that I don’t share the extent of your reactions to the three trees being cut down.

Should the person be taken to task? Yes, they should. Is a $250k fine for each tree and a ten year sentence for each tree reasoned? IMO it is absurd.

You don’t get ten years for killing people these days, and a fine? Not likley unless a civil trial can be won. Even then $250k per dead person. The perp generally doesn’t have $20 bucks to their name. And if they do, well, you’ve seen how successful the Simpsons have been.

When folks assign more respect to trees than human life, I leave the reservation.

Some of you have been upset at my comments. I hope this sounds more reasoned, even though I’m sure it won’t go all the way toward easing your disagreement with me.


40 posted on 01/24/2008 1:40:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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These were not her trees to cut down.

Several people here seem to have a hard time with that concept!

41 posted on 01/24/2008 1:40:53 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: flutters
It seems the commercial tree company would know about the laws and educate the woman.

I'm sure the tree company will get a good talking to regarding this.

What she did was wrong, but 10 years in prison is ridiculous.

I agree. In a prior post I said she should get 6 months, but perhaps a boatload of community service might be better for Ms. Vincent.

Either way I'm going to follow-up on this story to see what she gets.

42 posted on 01/24/2008 1:41:33 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: org.whodat

Take a look at my post in 40 and see if that makes any more sense to you. Thanks.


43 posted on 01/24/2008 1:50:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
And if they do, well, you’ve seen how successful the Simpsons have been.

This should have read 'the Brown' family. I'm so used to rattling off Nicole Simpson that I wrote Simpson by mistake.

44 posted on 01/24/2008 1:53:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: MotleyGirl70

If the wood is still available, maybe the judge could order it used to permanently board over her windows or (perhaps) to burn her at the stake.


45 posted on 01/24/2008 1:53:30 PM PST by wow (I can't give you a brain. But I can provide a diploma.)
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To: DoughtyOne
When folks assign more respect to trees than human life, I leave the reservation.

Give me a break!

You honestly think that people who posted on this thread care more about a few trees than human life. To make that comparison is pathetic and quite possibly one the most ridiculous posts I've seen on FR.

46 posted on 01/24/2008 1:53:33 PM PST by MotleyGirl70 (Dear GOP, Conservatism works every time itís tried. Sincerely, MotleyGirl70~~~Go Packers!~~~)
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To: DoughtyOne
Either way I'm going to follow-up on this story to see what she gets.

Please ping me when you do.
Thanks!
47 posted on 01/24/2008 1:55:58 PM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: MotleyGirl70
I bet she'll get 6 months in jail and the $250,000 fine for each tree stands. If anything this case will set a good precedence. I can't stand self-righteous people like this.

Yep, lets send her off to prison. Good call. And three quarters of a million dollars? Yep that sounds about right. I was pulling for an even million, but okay, I guess I can go with $750,000.00.

My earlier comments stand. You're welcome to think what you like.

48 posted on 01/24/2008 2:00:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne

The tree-huggers along with the government-is-good types have multiplied here in the past few years; part of the shifting sands of “conservatism”, I guess.


49 posted on 01/24/2008 2:01:04 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: MaryFromMichigan
Either way I'm going to follow-up on this story to see what she gets.

Actually she should be made to pay to put the trees back, the same size and age and she has to keep doing if one dies.

50 posted on 01/24/2008 2:02:18 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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