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RONALD REAGAN "A Time for Choosing"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/ronaldreaganatimeforchoosing.htm ^ | 27 October 1964, | Ronald Reagan

Posted on 01/30/2008 4:47:21 PM PST by Yosemitest

Ladies and Gentlemen, this speech not only needs to be read, but needs to be heard while you read it. It needs to be felt from the heart, as it was given from the heart.

But most of all, this speech needs to be updated for today's CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT. I strongly recommend you open a second window to "http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/ronaldreaganatimeforchoosing.htm" and play the windcows media player to watch and listen to Ronald Reagan give this speech ( 27 minutes 32 seconds long ). You have to go down that link about one page.

RONALD REAGAN "A Time for Choosing"



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1964; conservate; editorial; gop; newsactivism; reagan; republican; speech; transcript
Again, this speech needs to be studied, and remolded into today's times and issues. I only wish we had a leader like Reagan, today.
1 posted on 01/30/2008 4:47:31 PM PST by Yosemitest
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To: Yosemitest

you’d never hear the current candidates ever say “Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem.”


2 posted on 01/30/2008 4:50:39 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I will run through the gates of hell to not vote McCain/Pawlenty .)
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To: Yosemitest
Recommend you pick up the book “The Education of Ronald Reagan” by Thomas W. Evans, Columbia University Press, 2006. It covers the General Electric years and tells his conversion to conservatism. Bits and pieces of this speech were developed years before when he represented the corporation to its internal and external audiences.
3 posted on 01/30/2008 5:00:10 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Yosemitest
And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man.

odd that people today simply refuse to govern themselves.

4 posted on 01/30/2008 5:00:21 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (what would the founders do?)
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To: Yosemitest
Thanks for posting this timeless speech.
The truth will set you free. - Jesus Christ
Coral Ridge Ministries: Proclaiming truths that transform the world.

6 posted on 01/30/2008 5:03:35 PM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you for posting this. Keep the faith!


7 posted on 01/30/2008 5:06:31 PM PST by Parmenio
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what an amazing speech!!!!!!!!!!!!
(then again, he’s why i picked my name)


8 posted on 01/30/2008 5:07:27 PM PST by raygunfan
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To: Yosemitest
MONTGOMERY BREWSTER: "None of the above"
9 posted on 01/30/2008 5:23:49 PM PST by NonValueAdded (What Would Hobson Choose?)
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To: NonValueAdded

Lest there be confusion, I mean in respect to “a time for choosing” as in party nominee.


10 posted on 01/30/2008 5:25:15 PM PST by NonValueAdded (What Would Hobson Choose?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Trying to stop the tears, from listening to Reagan's voice,... I miss him so.

I found the book

in two different links (click on the photos of each) and will put it on my "to buy list."

Thank you very, very much.

11 posted on 01/30/2008 5:28:56 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: NonValueAdded
All I'm saying is

Let the updating begin.

12 posted on 01/30/2008 5:33:22 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
Its a good read.
Regards,
13 posted on 01/30/2008 5:41:16 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Click on this and play the video and listen to it. It's just below Reagan's photo. After you click on it, you have to click on the "play" button on the lower left.
14 posted on 01/30/2008 5:48:19 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

What the hell happened along the way? Just look at what we are faced with as conservatives. It is truley a sad time. This Mcain is a selfish, turncoat socialist with ideas he has already tested with fiengold, Kennedy, and the rest of these diabolical, despicable liberal skunks. Hillary, Obama, Mcain, can anyone find a difference between them? I thougth so!


15 posted on 01/30/2008 5:50:13 PM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: ronnie raygun
We didn't teach conservatism in school and in college, and we should have. We focus on economic issues in school, instead of morale issues.

This must begin to be taught.

16 posted on 01/30/2008 5:55:24 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

One of the best - if not the best - speeches I’ve ever heard.


17 posted on 01/30/2008 6:00:11 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Monitor
Please put this under "Highlight Extended News."

Sincerely, I believe it will help to activate the conservative base to rebuild this speech to today's issues.

18 posted on 01/30/2008 6:01:16 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: raygunfan
We can replace the Soviet Union, with the Muslim Nations.
The taxes, Social Security, and farming issues are useful but need todays figures.
19 posted on 01/30/2008 6:03:51 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: ronnie raygun

With all due respect after Reagan gave this speech at the 1964 convention Goldwater went on to lose the election by a wide margin to LBJ. It took 16 more years to get a genuine conservative elected to President (both Nixon and Ford were moderates). During those 16 years Reagan remained ever optimistic about conservatism’s ultimate victory.


20 posted on 01/30/2008 6:44:13 PM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: Milhous
This speech started the Reagan Movement. He barely lost. But this speech was what pushed him into the White House in 1980.
21 posted on 01/30/2008 7:01:11 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter; stanley windrush

ping


22 posted on 01/30/2008 7:45:54 PM PST by IncPen (Elect Barack and it's an Obama-Nation !!)
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To: Yosemitest
To listen to this speech is to notice how much better Reagan got with his delivery over the years. It's a bit rushed by his usual standards.
23 posted on 01/30/2008 7:59:41 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
But he did it without any notes. This wasn’t a prepared speech.
24 posted on 01/30/2008 8:48:38 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie; All

But more important, if you were using this speech as a base to build a new speech for today, how would you change it?


25 posted on 01/30/2008 8:50:34 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
you’d never hear the current candidates ever say “Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem.”

Amen to that! bump!

26 posted on 01/30/2008 9:25:14 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Yosemitest; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000

bump!


27 posted on 01/30/2008 9:37:09 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Yosemitest
This wasn’t a prepared speech.

If you believe that, you haven't read much about Ronald Reagan's writing process. He'd spent years developing those themes and tidbits. At that point, it's the series of vignettes just as is this interview of me.

28 posted on 01/30/2008 10:10:32 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Yosemitest
But more important, if you were using this speech as a base to build a new speech for today, how would you change it?

In content, not a thing. In delivery, he later learned to slow down, pausing between points to allow them to sink in. This one was just a bit rushed and disjointed.

29 posted on 01/30/2008 10:20:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Post #29 I agree.
And I agree that after his numerous 3-minute speeches with GE, he knew his material, and had a vast range of experience and knowledge to draw upon.

But still, this wasn't a 'prepared' speech.

30 posted on 01/30/2008 10:43:48 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
But still, this wasn't a 'prepared' speech.

Watch him shuffle through those 3 X 5 cards. Each on contained the notes to each of the vignettes he covered. In fact, the speech is a series of speeches, or diatribes, each long practiced on a range of topics.

That is why it is so disjointed. As an example of what I'm telling you, watch his transition from a discussion of Social Security to foreign policy; he did it almost without a break and certainly not a segue.

LOL, the medium is the message.

31 posted on 01/30/2008 11:13:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Okay, it was an extemporaneous speech. I've had similar in leadership classes in the military.

But we miss the point.

How do we bing it up to today's date to be used for today's issues?

32 posted on 01/30/2008 11:17:50 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
How do we bing it up to today's date to be used for today's issues?

I think it wouldn't be terribly expensive to construct a comprehensive set of presentations by various experts on multiple topics, each a combination of speech, video, and PowerPoint. They could be posted on YouTube and emailed as a set of links, each with a link back to a discussion site to complete the thoughts and organize action.

It would make a very good start. What I've tried to do is to construct the framework in writing, but transposition to multi-media shouldn't be terribly hard.

33 posted on 01/30/2008 11:57:32 PM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Yosemitest

btt


34 posted on 01/31/2008 12:27:07 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Carry_Okie
That's an outstanding idea. Maybe we'll get some volunteers that will do just that.
35 posted on 01/31/2008 1:10:50 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
Maybe we'll get some volunteers that will do just that.

The first step would be to go find, collect, and disseminate what already exists. Guys like Steve Frank in California have email lists of over 100,000 people.

36 posted on 01/31/2008 6:28:36 AM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: doug from upland
We need a song based on "Next Time ... He'll Think Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood , " about McCain. Here's the fox news transcript.

Read Mark Levin

"Reagan Challenged His Party from the Right. McCain Challenges His Party from the Left. [Mark R. Levin]"

I don't think most conservatives are interested in McCain’s class ranking at Annapolis or how many planes he was nearly killed in. There have been a few posts here mentioning it.
And I appreciate all the references to Reagan's efforts to advance his agenda, which did involve making compromises with a Democrat House and, throughout most of his presidency, a Democrat Congress.
And if John McCain showed this kind of temperament and vision in his political career, I don't think most who object to his candidacy during the primaries would be objecting to it today. I think we would be enthusiastically supporting him.

Painting Reagan as a tax-and-spend Republican, who basically went along with Washington and appointed a bunch of moderates to the Supreme Court, in an apparent attempt to build up McCain's conservative and leadership credentials and mollify his critics, has the opposite effect mostly because it is inaccurate. It reminds me of Bill Clinton's supporters using Thomas Jefferson's alleged adultery to explain the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Reagan challenged his party from the Right. He sought the Republican nomination in 1968 against Richard Nixon and lost. He sought the nomination against Gerald Ford in 1976 and lost. He fought the Republican establishment in 1980 as well, including Bob Dole, Howard Baker, and George H. W. Bush, and won.
McCain has challenged his party from the Left. I don't know how many more times I and others have to lay out his record to prove the point.
To put a fine point on it, when he had to, Reagan sought compromise from a different set of beliefs and principles than McCain. It does a great disservice to historical accuracy and the current debate to continue to urge otherwise.

Let me be more specific, rather than spar in generalities. Reagan would never have used the phrase "manage for profit" as a zinger to put down a Republican opponent. Reagan believed in managing for profit because he believed in free enterprise. That doesn't mean he didn't agree to certain tax increases (after fighting for and winning the most massive tax cuts in modern American history), which were incidentally to be accompanied by even greater spending cuts.
McCain believes the oil companies are evil, and said it during one of the debates.
Among his first acts as president, Reagan decontrolled the prices of natural gas and crude oil with the stroke of his pen because, as he understood, profit funds research and exploration. Reagan had a respect for and comprehension of private property rights and markets that McCain does not. There never would have been a Reagan-Lieberman bill, in which the federal government's power over the private sector would have trumped the New Deal.

Reagan opposed limits on political speech.
The Reagan administration ended the Fairness Doctrine and the media ownership rules, which helped create the alternative media that McCain despises. Reagan's reverence for the Constitution would never have allowed him to support, let alone add his name to, something like McCain-Feingold.

As for Reagan's Supreme Court appointments, it is wholly misleading to simply list those who turned out to be disappointing as evidence of Reagan's willingness to compromise on judicial appointments or appoint moderates, or whatever the point was.
In Sandra Day O'Connor's case, he was assured by Barry Goldwater and Ken Starr that she was an originalist. While on the Court, she started out on fairly sound footing, and then lurched toward the Left, something Reagan could not foresee or control.
Yes, Reagan appointed Anthony Kennedy to the Court, but only after:

And, again, Kennedy started out as a fairly reliable originalist, but has "evolved" over the years in ways that no president can prevent.
But Reagan also appointed Antonin Scalia and promoted William Rehnquist to chief justice, and he appointed scores of outstanding judges at the district court and appellate levels — the significance of which attorneys like me, who study this issue, fully comprehend and appreciate. (As an aside, as I spent some time at the White House working on judicial selection, Reagan refused to allow the Senate to dictate which judges he would ultimately nominate to the circuit courts.)

Reagan sought to abolish all kinds of federal programs and agencies — from the Department of Education to the Action Agency/VISTA — and the list goes on and on.
I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult for someone with the time and inclination, such as a think-tank scholar, to go back and examine the early budgets that Reagan sent to Congress. Am I the only one who remembers all the horror stories in the media portraying Reagan's budgets

But Reagan couldn't get a lot of the cuts he wanted past congressional Democrats. However, he did shutdown the government several times to try to limit spending. Does anyone remember the media stories about Social Security recipients going without checks?

The one area Reagan drastically increased spending was defense.
And while McCain is said to be among the most capable of hawks, he used little of his political capital and media savvy to oppose the Clinton cuts — or to warn the nation about the rising threat from al-Qaeda, for that matter. He did not call for the resignation of his good friend Bill Cohen, who was a terrible defense secretary. McCain was not alone, of course. But a more fulsome examination of McCain's senatorial record relating to defense, intelligence, and law enforcement is met mostly with silence or admonitions to avert our eyes.

Reagan would not have led efforts to grant the enemy constitutional and international rights, as McCain has. I believe he would have sided with President Bush. After all, as president, Reagan rejected efforts to expand the Geneva Conventions to cover terrorists.
This is a key area of departure for McCain not only from Bush but most national security advocates. But, alas, we must avert our eyes, again.

As for the 1986 Reagan amnesty for illegal aliens, we've been down this road time and again.
The bill was carefully reviewed within the Reagan administration, including at the Justice Department (at the time, the INS reported to the attorney general). Reagan agreed that amnesty would be conferred on 2-3 million illegal aliens as a one-time event in exchange for adequate funding for border security. The bill passed in 1987. The border security part of the deal was never enforced.
To say that Reagan supported amnesty and no more is to rewrite history. There would have been no Reagan-Kennedy bill, written largely by LULAC and LaRaza.

But we must rewrite history
if we are to make the case that McCain is no different from Reagan,
Reagan is no different from his predecessors,
and Reagan's speeches weren't all that revolutionary.
And if we object to such characterizations, then the argument shifts to Reagan wasn't perfect,
the Reagan era is dead,
these are different times, etc. Then, if we criticize McCain's record we are told

Look, I do not believe that McCain is a principled conservative.
I believe he is a populist hawk in the tradition of a Scoop Jackson. This isn't a perfect comparison, of course, but nothing is ever perfect, is it?
In my view, this is why the hawks will support McCain regardless of his record in virtually every other respect. Moreover, they see McCain as the only Republican who has the will or ability or whatever to fight terrorism. I don't.
But please, can we at least agree, on National Review's website of all places, to stop dumbing down or dismissing the Reagan record. If you are going to use it, at least be accurate about it. It isn't perfect, but it is far superior to the backhand it received earlier.

02/02 12:52 PM

Mark Levin isn't called the GREAT ONE for no reason.

Doug from upland, PLEASE, ... I'm begging you, ... Help us stop McCain.

37 posted on 02/03/2008 11:35:55 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

All I can do is vote and give money to the Romney campaign. I don’t want McCain in the White House, and I don’t want him in the Senate. But if it is Hillary or McCain, I am not staying home. That woman was sent here from the bowels of hell. She must be stopped.


38 posted on 02/03/2008 11:38:42 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland
I though you wrote political songs for Paul Shanklin. I was hoping you could take that song and change the words to address McCain’s cheating with the liberals.
39 posted on 02/03/2008 4:08:57 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

I wish I wrote songs for Shanklin.


40 posted on 02/03/2008 4:58:09 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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