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Republican Presidential Frontrunner John McCain Judged on Conservatism
Voice of America News ^ | Feb 11, 2008 | Carolyn Presutti

Posted on 02/11/2008 4:47:22 PM PST by upchuck

Now that the race for the Republican presidential nomination has narrowed to two main candidates, Republican voters are questioning whether the frontrunner embraces enough of the party's conservative standards. Arizona Senator John McCain has angered conservatives in the past with his congressional votes. VOAs Carolyn Presutti takes a look at both sides.

Political experts say these people are the core of the American Republican Party: conservatives.

They embrace low taxes, traditional values, a strong military, untethered campaign spending and strong immigration laws. Every year, about 6,000 of them attend the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Enter Senator John McCain, the Republican frontrunner. Conservatives agree: he is Republican and that he is the frontrunner. But many say he is not a true conservative. Thus, the McCain conservative dilemma.

"He cannot go into the general election without conservatives not really caring whether he wins or loses," says political analyst Stuart Rothenberg.

McCain entered politics in 1981, during the Reagan years. Conservatives view President Ronald Reagan as their standard-bearer -- the ideal conservative politician.

"I am proud, very proud, to have come to public office as a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution," McCain said to the conference. 

But some conservative radio talk show hosts, such as Laura Ingraham, question that claim. She says, "I do not think it is enough to say that you were a foot soldier in the Reagan revolution. I think the question is, 'What have you been doing for conservatism lately?"

Lately, Senator McCain has been trying to shed his reputation as a political maverick, a politician who has been willing to break with conservative Republican orthodoxy on certain issues.

In 2002, Congress passed a bill co-sponsored by McCain that limited campaign spending. The law still angers conservatives who claim it empowers lobbyists to contribute millions to political campaigns.

Greg Walcher says his vote for president is tied to that belief. "Clearly that has not worked. It has made it easier for rich people to hide their money in campaigns through these other organizations. He ought to be able to say, this is what we tried to do. It did not work. It is time to fix it."

Ann Scott wants to hear McCain back-off from his position on a different issue. "I'm going to secure the border and then we are going to deal with the illegal immigrants who are here," she wants him to say.

But just the mention of immigration got this response from the conservatives. McCain started to make his point, "On the issue of illegal immigration, a position which...." [interrupted by boos]

Earlier this year McCain supported a bill that would eventually allow citizenship for many of the country's 12 million illegal immigrants. But before the convention of conservatives, he seemed to backtrack. He said, "I and other Republican supporters of the bill were genuine in our intention to restore control of our borders. We failed. I accept that. And I have pledged that it would be among my highest priorities to secure our borders first."

Younger voters seem to appreciate McCain's ability to reach out to the opposition.

Voter Jake Wilson from Dayton, Ohio says, "At least John McCain is willing to work across the aisle and make compromise."

But that premise again infuriates conservative radio talk show hosts, like Rush Limbaugh. "When did the measure of conservatism become: reaching out to Democrats?" Limbaugh asked.

"We do want, and I think deserve, a candidate who is proud to be a conservative and who embodies conservative ideals. Is that too much to ask?" asked Ingraham.

McCain said to the conference, "I am proud to be a conservative."

No one knows if McCain will change any minds. Then again, he has some time to do that. It is only February -- and there are nine more months until the general election.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; cpac; elections; mccain; mcmexico
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No one knows if McCain will change any minds.

He isn't going to change mine. He's arrogant and self-centered. He thumbs his nose at conservatives. You know the list.

1 posted on 02/11/2008 4:47:23 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck
Republican Presidential Frontrunner John McCain Judged on Conservatism

and has been found wanting.

2 posted on 02/11/2008 4:53:43 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: upchuck
Ann Scott wants to hear McCain back-off from his position on a different issue. "I'm going to secure the border and then we are going to deal with the illegal immigrants who are here," she wants him to say.

He had plenty of opportunity in the past to do more than just talk about securing our borders and dealing with illegal immigrants. He chose to do the opposite.
3 posted on 02/11/2008 4:56:17 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

Even if he did say this, would you actually believe him? I wouldn’t. He’s pandering and telling lies.


4 posted on 02/11/2008 5:08:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: upchuck

Conservatism aside, I won’t vote for him because he’s an unstable arrogant ass who shows clear contempt for the American people. Good lord how far would he go if his amnesty were shot down again while he was president?


5 posted on 02/11/2008 5:12:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick opposed to McCain.))
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To: Secret Agent Man

He is a total liar and wants to destroy this country and its culture with illegal aliens. I will suicide vote for Obama. In fact I will cross over and vote for this man against the witch from hell in my primary . So is my husband!! We were consevatives before it got raped by neocons like that sorry bush.


6 posted on 02/11/2008 5:14:45 PM PST by Donnaplume
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To: Donnaplume

Well, I understand your frustration but I will not vote for any of the Democrats. This one I probably will be doing a write-in.


7 posted on 02/11/2008 5:18:57 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m writing Hunter in.


8 posted on 02/11/2008 5:21:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (Just call me M.O.M. (Maverick opposed to McCain.))
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To: upchuck

Just to note that VOA is a gov’t provided media outlet. Current administration has embraced McCain. Just to keep things in perspective for this or future stories about the race :)


9 posted on 02/11/2008 5:21:44 PM PST by jedward (Anti-Bush-Bot Spray...Get yours Today! (Patent Pending))
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To: Secret Agent Man

He has an opportunity to prove he means it. Last I checked, McCain is still a sitting Senator. He can introduce a true comprehensive immigration reform bill:

1. the fence, with funding for the same
2. beefed up funding and staffing of the Border Patrol
3. really tough employer sanctions, and funding for enforcement
4. a guest worker program (if he really likes an *amnesty*, he can ‘grandfather’ some illegals who register in a timely manner, who haven’t committed crimes besides illegally entering the US, into guest worker status, but with no track to citizenship other than going back to their home country and joining the queue like all the legal immigrants)
5. statutory limits on social benefits for non-permanent resident non-citizens (in general including non-elegibility for Social Security, though exceptions might be made in the case of some classes of work visas)
6. increased quotas for legal immigration from Latin America
7. tigher quotas and screening of immigrants from Muslim countries.
8. easier paperwork for industries with inadequate supplies of workers with specific skills to obtain work visas for employees,
9. cut off of Federal aid to states or cities that forbid their LEO’s from enforcing immigration laws

There, *that* is what a comprehensive immigration reform would look like, not the BS he and Ted Kennedy tried to ram down the country’s collective throat.


10 posted on 02/11/2008 5:22:03 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: upchuck

McCain is learning how to tap-dance, waffle and flip-flop. This is gonna be fun.


11 posted on 02/11/2008 5:22:51 PM PST by LiberConservative
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Even if he did say this, would you actually believe him? I wouldn’t. He’s pandering and telling lies.

I trust him as far as I can throw him. Talk is cheap. That is why I stressed his past actions instead of his words.
12 posted on 02/11/2008 5:25:11 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: upchuck
Republicans,

I sincerely believe that we must come together to support McCain, mend the GOP and defeat the dimocrats.
 
Makes sense to me; certainly hope it makes sense to you.

13 posted on 02/11/2008 5:27:25 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: The_Reader_David
He has an opportunity to prove he means it. Last I checked, McCain is still a sitting Senator. He can introduce a true comprehensive immigration reform bill:

He doesn't even need to introduce anymore immigration legislation. All he needs to do is ensure the following immigration law is strictly enforced.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens Enforcement RICO —Citizen Recourse Tax Crimes Comment

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

· assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or · encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or · knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. ·

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an illegal alien for a fee, knowing the illegal alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an illegal alien knowing that the illegal alien is unauthorized to work.

It is unlawful to hire any individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. "Day laborers" or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the illegal alien labor.

The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

It is illegal for nonprofit or religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist illegal aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any illegal alien who is in the United States in violation of law. Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the illegal alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

Comment:

A comment and a published quote by Robert Gaffney, Attorney and County Executive of Suffolk County, LI, NY:

The statutory foundation of United States immigration law has always been the jurisdiction of the federal government, Congress and the federal courts. The preeminent laws concerning the employment of illegal aliens are found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. §~ 1101-1503), as amended by the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 CIRCA).

The law states it is a crime to assist an illegal alien who lacks employment authorization by referring him to an employer, or by acting as his or her employer, or as an agent for an employer. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) (Lexis 1997). Furthermore, it is unlawful to hire an individual for employment without complying with the employment eligibility requirements for every person hired. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(l)(B) (Lexis 1997). Moreover, conduct tending substantially to facilitate illegal aliens remaining in the United States illegally, where there is knowledge or a reckless disregard of an illegal alien s unlawful status, is a crime, with escalating penalties, encompassed within the provisions of 1324. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324(a)(l)(A)(iii) (Lexis 1997); United States v. Kim. 193 F-3d 567 (2d Cir. 1999), are considered employees for purposes of immigration law.
14 posted on 02/11/2008 5:29:28 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: CzarNicky

“...John McCain Judged on Conservatism.”

Case dismissed: he has none.


15 posted on 02/11/2008 5:37:33 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: Salvation
I sincerely believe that we must come together to support McCain, mend the GOP and defeat the dimocrats.

Makes sense to me; certainly hope it makes sense to you.


It doesn't make sense to support a candidate who has slapped Conservatives in the face many times by supporting legislation contrary to Conservatism including McCain-Feingold Act, The Lieberman-McCain Climate Stewardship Act, The Kennedy-McCain Immigration Bill etc...
16 posted on 02/11/2008 5:38:44 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m writing Hunter in.

I'm right there with ya!
17 posted on 02/11/2008 5:40:02 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: upchuck

The reason why we have “conservative” McCain can be blamed on President Bush. He did more to pervert the definition of conservatism than anyone. What did he ever conserve? He allowed more spending under his watch than anyone. Corporations loved him. He never said no...Gas prices....let em’ go...let the “market” correct itself...turn my head conservative....hide behind the desk conservative. Schill for the megarich conservatives. And McCain is his idea of a conservative...pathetic....oh that you were hot or cold...if you were hot or cold I could accept that, but because you’re lukewarm I’ll spit you out...Revelation....


18 posted on 02/11/2008 5:42:05 PM PST by Chuck N
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To: cripplecreek

“I’m writing Hunter in.”

I did in the Primary and will in the General.


19 posted on 02/11/2008 5:42:57 PM PST by panaxanax (Hey Duncan, your country needs you now more than ever. Please call home!)
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To: upchuck
"He cannot go into the general election without conservatives not really caring whether he wins or loses," says political analyst Stuart Rothenberg.

Then he's got a problem, doesn't he?

Oh - and for some conservatives, not caring would be an improvement in their regard of Senator McCain.

I don't hate the man, but I cannot support his destruction of the conservative basis of the party.

20 posted on 02/11/2008 5:56:48 PM PST by MortMan (Conservatives: If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.)
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