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1 posted on 02/13/2008 7:00:22 AM PST by jdm
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Ed Morrissey is generally spot on. But I have to disagree with him on the super-delegate thing. His rationale for believing that they’ll break for Hillary presumes an underlying loyalty. I just don’t see it.

Morrisey says “the Clintons have spent the last sixteen years putting most of them in power. They have campaigned for them, raised cash for them, and gotten them their jobs. Most of them are superdelegates because of the Clintons in one way or another.” True enough. But it’s this same self-interest that will drive the delegates to align with whomever they think will preserve that power for them. If they sense that Obama has a better chance to win in the general, that’s who they’ll support. It’s called trading up.

People whose loyalties have once been bought with position can be counted on to do it again.


61 posted on 02/13/2008 7:30:02 AM PST by Eroteme
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When the Clintons come calling, which will most of these people choose to support? The people who put them in the position of casting this vote, or a candidate who hasn't done hardly anything for them? Will they select the candidate that wants to incorporate the establishment into the next administration, or the one that has campaigned on the promise to clean out the establishment?

Here's my WAG on the Super Delegates.

They'll do the same thing that happened when Obama upset the Daley Machine's hand picked senate primary candidate, Dan Hynes - of the Chicago and IL Dem powerhouse Hynes family.

After they recover from the apoplectic shock of Obama winning all the primary delegates (every vote counts ya know) they'll bolt to Obama like rats from a sinking ship.

From Daley to Durbin, to our ijit gov 'Blago', and even the Hynes family itself - including the defeated Dan Hynes - it's now one big Obama love fest. Daley and Billy-Jeff were thick as thieves, now it's; 'President Klintoon who'?
63 posted on 02/13/2008 7:32:23 AM PST by Condor51 (Vote for McInsane or Ugga-Bugga? Decisions, decisions, decisions.)
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If he has less than a two-hundred delegate lead going into the convention, he won't win the nomination

I strongly disagree. The Super Delegates cannot be that stupid to give Hillary Clinton the nomination when she has lost the delegates count from the real vote. This will assure a rebellion in the democrat party and hence a certain defeat for them this November.

65 posted on 02/13/2008 7:34:05 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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Bet on the KKKlintons to pull off a miracle come-back. Throw in a little dirty dealing, bribery and arm twisting, and Obamarama is done.


71 posted on 02/13/2008 7:42:29 AM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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As dumb as the DemocRATS are, I cannot imagine that they would be so dumb as to give Hillary the nomination based solely on superdelegates. I think they would realize the damage they would do to their party.

So, I think this analysis is all wet. Whoever leads in pledged delegates will get the nomination.


81 posted on 02/13/2008 7:51:41 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt^H^H^H^HTancredo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFred^H^H^H^HRomney^H^H^H^H^H^HRon Paul '08)
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“When the Clintons come calling, which will most of these people choose to support? The people who put them in the position of casting this vote, or a candidate who hasn’t done hardly anything for them?”

The Democrat party as a whole is so weak they will support Clinton ONLY if they are reasonably sure Obama cannot win - Why? Because sadly, most Democrats are deceived quislings who support the Clintons out of fear and not out of love. It was the same for followers of other evil leaders such as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are two long-term criminals who are totally unqualified to have anything to do with the leadership of our great nation. That the Democrat party is even considering her demonstrates how far they have fallen in the last 50 years a party defined by appeasement, weakness, immorality, infanticide, no personal responsibility, nanny state, lying, stealing, and cheating. If these deceived buffoons had the full control of our nation, America would be destroyed within two generations.

Good will ultimately triumph over evil, and make no mistake - the Clintons have been perpetrators of evil for many years. I do not believe she will ever be POTUS.

We must keep fighting the good fight and place our faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ - never in the promises of man.


85 posted on 02/13/2008 8:03:18 AM PST by Lions Gate
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Reading the description it wasn’t Hillary that got booed. It was her mentioning of Obama.


103 posted on 02/13/2008 8:56:25 AM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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She talked about George Bush and Barack Obama being "all hat and no cattle,"
Happy trails to you, Hillary. Happy trails to you.

And here's hoping that we never, ever meet again.

Man is it good to see her fade into the sunset.

117 posted on 02/13/2008 9:30:17 AM PST by samtheman (McCain: Not as good as a real Republican, not as bad as a real Democrat.)
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The superdelegates represent the elected and appointed establishment of the party. The Clintons have spent the last sixteen years putting most of them in power. They have campaigned for them, raised cash for them, and gotten them their jobs. Most of them are superdelegates because of the Clintons in one way or another.
BFD.

Does anyone really think all those corrupt pols that the Clintons pushed into power have any sense of LOYALTY?

Does anyone think they care about the PAST?

They're all looking to their future, man, the future of what side their bread is buttered on, just like the craven Clintons themselves. And if those pols see a future of incomparable brightness and Obama, that's who they'll vote for baby.

It's asta la vista, Clintons. Your fellow rats don't need you anymore.

119 posted on 02/13/2008 9:36:58 AM PST by samtheman (McCain: Not as good as a real Republican, not as bad as a real Democrat.)
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This is a very unintelligent piece...the kind you see in celebrity magazines, fueled on emotion and buzz. Hillary must win by mathematically improbable margins in the remaining primaries and Obama’s got more money for the stretch run at about a 3:1 ratio. He will go to the convention with more votes and delegates (no statistical scenario, even those favorable to Hillary, say otherwise.)
And for Hillary to then win she would have to engineer unethical reinstatements of Michigan and Florida, and strong-arm superdelegates into going against the will of the Democratic voters. The media and the people would simply not permit that. So she now has to count on some kind of amazing MACACA moment by Obama...and the likelihood is that those moments will come from Bill Clinton and Ed Rendell.


127 posted on 02/13/2008 9:58:47 AM PST by Vinomori
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Will they select the candidate that wants to incorporate the establishment into the next administration, or the one that has campaigned on the promise to clean out the establishment?

A more relevant question would be... “Is Denver made of combustable material?”


130 posted on 02/13/2008 10:46:51 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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This is so funny. You know they (hillbill) were sure they had it in the bag. LOLOLOL
131 posted on 02/13/2008 10:49:26 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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Hillary needs to realize that the Rats are a sad group of people
and she needs to stop smiling and acting all happy to get their votes.
132 posted on 02/13/2008 10:55:02 AM PST by MaxMax (I need a life after politics)
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When Clinton mentioned having differences with Obama over health care and the mortgage crisis, she was booed.

I watched this speech. She was not booed. They booed when she mentioned Obama's name. The WaPo is really pimping for the black candidate.

135 posted on 02/13/2008 11:05:41 AM PST by montag813
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I don't buy the scenario where Obama goes into the convention with a lead in pledged delegates and then the Clintons steal it away with the superdelegates.

Not that I would put it past the Clintons to try but the Democratic Party would be even stupider than I thought if they allowed that to happen. It would ruin their convention and alienate millions of voters nationwide who now see Obama as the future of their party.

As for the super delegates, well the Democratic Party can do some serious arm-twisting too. They don't owe the Clintons anything.

143 posted on 02/13/2008 1:03:21 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 4 days away from outliving George Reeves)
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Obama had better hope he wins everything between now and Denver. If he has less than a two-hundred delegate lead going into the convention, he won't win the nomination.

Considering this hypothetical, if B. Hussein Obama wins the popular vote, and looses the nomination because of Rodham/Clintonian inside super-weasels...

(And, I'm absolutely hoping it does not occur)

...might there be worries of, ahem, some forms of civil unrest among the disenfranchised Democrat electorate?

146 posted on 02/13/2008 1:32:08 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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The superdelegates represent the elected and appointed establishment of the party. The Clinton's have spent the last sixteen years putting most of them in power.

Should be REAL interesting at the rat convention, when Hillary is anointed and Obama is put to the back of the bus.

I bet Howard Dean is crapping his pants wondering what he will do to keep the convention from exploding.

150 posted on 02/13/2008 2:26:25 PM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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Didn’t Hilly just fire her campaign manager? Or did the lady quit?


151 posted on 02/13/2008 4:41:52 PM PST by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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Well, HIllary is all fat... no mettle.


153 posted on 02/13/2008 7:16:20 PM PST by harpo11 (Any One But Hillary Even Captain Kangaroo, Mr. Moose, Larry, Moe & Curly Would Do)
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