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Immigrant whose cancer went untreated in custody dies
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/21/8 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 02/21/2008 9:40:50 PM PST by SmithL

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To: Still Thinking

I agree, he was offered treatment, including the removal of his social finger, it was not effective.

For me, there are all sorts of these hand wringing stories, and I’ve passed my MTBFR on them.


21 posted on 02/21/2008 10:15:55 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3/Cry havoc and let slip the RINOS)
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To: Still Thinking

” You gotta feed him, you gotta give him medical care, etc.”

Why?


22 posted on 02/21/2008 10:24:34 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: SmithL

I don’t like the idea of being put in the position of having to give this guy medical care, but if he was diagnosed with a problem, he should have been taken care of.

Folks, I don’t like it eather, but we do need to provide humanitarian treatment of prisoners, even if illegal immigrants.

Now, when the problem was diagnosed, he should have been given special dispensation, released back to El Salvador so that he could seek treatment down there.

He didn’t belong here. We shouldn’t foot the bill.


23 posted on 02/21/2008 10:30:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: lightman

Had a friend who had his amputated too. Left him with a ten inch stub.


24 posted on 02/21/2008 11:14:23 PM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: babygene

” You gotta feed him, you gotta give him medical care, etc.”

Why?

Because, unless he’s been given a death sentence, no one should be dying from neglect in prison. The crimes he was convicted of were not death penalty offenses.

He’s totally incapable of getting medical treatment on his own.

Therefore, if he’s in prison, we taxpayers provide treatment.

What’s the alternative? That every man or woman in prison, whether for tax evasion, grand theft, drug possession, assault, or even the few who are innocent (and we know they are there), is subject to a sentence of no medical or dental care while incarcerated.

I could not go along with that. Except perhaps for those who are waiting for the chair anyway.


25 posted on 02/21/2008 11:26:33 PM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: Marie2

Ouch.....the Catholics aren’t kidding around when they say kids will be punished for masturbation.


26 posted on 02/21/2008 11:37:50 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: SmithL

“Castaneda left his native El Salvador with his mother during a civil war and entered the United States illegally when he was 10.”

It WAS pretty rough down there 25 years ago. IIRC, even some nuns were raped and murdered.


27 posted on 02/21/2008 11:54:59 PM PST by nralife
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To: Old Seadog

When I die I am donating mine. I figure if I can help two or three guys lead a better life, so be it. :)


28 posted on 02/22/2008 4:38:19 AM PST by Lucky777
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To: Old Seadog

I always thought that fell under the rule of “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

Now with a stub like that....

...some rules are made to be broken.


29 posted on 02/22/2008 8:00:01 AM PST by lightman (Waiting for Godot and searching for Avignon.)
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To: babygene

Well, for example the word “custody” itself means “guardianship” or “in the care of”, not simply that the guy isn’t free to leave of his own volition. It means that you’re taking responsibility for the guy.

Somebody said he wouldn’t have got good medical care in El Salvador. If the guy were from Ethiopia, would it be OK not to feed him? If you don’t want to assume the responsibilities of having someone in custody because he wouldn’t be any better off back in El Salvador, then send him back there.

Now another Freeper responded to the same post and said that medical treatment was given, but wasn’t successful. If so, then fine. I’ll have to reread the original article.


30 posted on 02/22/2008 8:05:20 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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Now, when the problem was diagnosed, he should have been given special dispensation, released back to El Salvador so that he could seek treatment down there. He didn?t belong here. We shouldn?t foot the bill.

That seems the most reasonable solution of all. I don't like paying for medical treatment (or anything, for that matter) for illegals, but if you're going to keep the guy locked up, you don't leave yourself with much choice.

31 posted on 02/22/2008 8:08:05 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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A doctor finally ordered a biopsy in late January 2007 and said Castaneda probably had cancer, but Immigration and Customs Enforcement released him 11 days later rather than having him treated, the suit said. He underwent the biopsy and amputation at a Los Angeles County hospital.

Ok, so he WAS treated after all, making the entire story a lie. Sue Los Angeles County if you want.

32 posted on 02/22/2008 8:12:37 AM PST by montag813
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To: Still Thinking

Yes, that’s true. Thanks for the response.


33 posted on 02/22/2008 8:51:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: SmithL

Prayers for a misguided soul.


34 posted on 02/22/2008 8:56:10 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: montag813

But the problem first came to medical attention in December 2005, 13 months earlier. If they didn’t want to treat him while in custody, they should have released him promptly so he could seek his own treatment. Since he was an illegal, they probably should have deported him rather than simply release him if they didn’t want to hold him (and treat him).


35 posted on 02/22/2008 9:02:54 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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