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Dems fear train-wreck scenarios
Scripps News ^ | 2/25/2008 | DAN WALTERS, Sacramento Bee

Posted on 02/25/2008 12:39:28 PM PST by mdittmar

Remember the political teeth-gnashing eight years ago when Democrat Al Gore won the popular vote for president only to lose to Republican George W. Bush in the Electoral College after weeks of disputed vote-counting in Florida and contradictory decisions by the Florida and U.S. supreme courts?

Many Democrats believed Bush stole the election and thwarted the popular will of voters. There were demands that the Electoral College system be abolished in favor of a binding popular vote. In several states, including California, efforts were made to compel all electoral votes to be cast for the popular-vote winner.

Democrats are engaged in a similar political clash again, but this time it's within the party as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama slug it out for the presidential nomination.

Though Obama leads in delegates, neither candidate is expected to reach the 2,025-delegate majority, and the eventual winner may be decided by the nearly 800 "superdelegates" -- party leaders and elected officials -- who are not bound to anyone. And that's spurring an internal party debate that echoes both the 2000 Electoral College argument and the party upheavals of 40 years ago.

The riot-tinged 1968 Democratic convention pitted the party's establishment against its anti-war left wing. With Lyndon Johnson ceding the presidency and the left wing's hero, Robert Kennedy, having been felled by an assassin's bullet in California just a few weeks before, the establishment delivered the nomination to a hapless Vice President Hubert Humphrey.

After Humphrey lost to Richard Nixon later that year, Democrats instituted a massive "reform" that reoriented the nomination process to primaries. Then-Sen. George McGovern headed the commission that promulgated the new rules and used them to win the presidential nomination in 1972, only to repeat Humphrey's loss to Nixon.

Jimmy Carter worked the primaries to capture the nomination in 1976 and won the White House, but lost it to Ronald Reagan four years later. This created another internal backlash and new procedures that retreated from the democracy of the primaries and established a special class of delegates who, it was said, would protect the party from nominating an unelectable figure.

Over the last couple of decades, the Democrats' nominees have emerged early enough to preclude the superdelegates from playing a role. But this year they might be decisive, and so far appear to be leaning in favor of Clinton, who was the presumptive candidate before Obama caught fire -- ironically enough -- with the party's anti-war left wing, the spiritual heirs to the 1968 convention's outsiders.

California's superdelegates -- especially its Democratic members of Congress -- are caught up in the rising angst. Six of the 15 congressional members who have endorsed Clinton saw their districts vote for Obama on Feb. 5, while five of the seven who have endorsed Obama have voters who favored Clinton.

There's a strong undercurrent of fear developing among Democrats that a protracted and increasingly bitter battle for the nomination would so alienate independents and other swing voters that Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, would keep the White House in Republican hands.

What if the nomination hinged on seating delegates from Michigan and Florida, whose primaries violated party rules governing timing? Clinton won both disputed primaries and could go to court demanding that her delegates be recognized. What if the superdelegates tilted the nomination to someone who lost in the popular voting of the primaries -- especially if the Florida and Michigan delegates were in dispute?

It may all come to nothing. But at the moment, the prospect of a political train wreck is looming large.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008dncconvention; democratparty; elections; hillary; obama
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1 posted on 02/25/2008 12:39:30 PM PST by mdittmar
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There's a strong undercurrent of fear developing among Democrats that a protracted and increasingly bitter battle for the nomination would so alienate independents and other swing voters that Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, would keep the White House in Republican hands.

HEY! Don't forget Nader...

2 posted on 02/25/2008 12:42:38 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: mdittmar

Here’s hoping for 1968 redux.


3 posted on 02/25/2008 12:43:39 PM PST by oblomov
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To: mdittmar

Count ALL the VOTES!..........IIRC.......


4 posted on 02/25/2008 12:43:40 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: mdittmar
A nasty train wreck, you say?

Couldn't happen to a nicer party...


5 posted on 02/25/2008 12:44:29 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: mdittmar
Democrat Unity: Clinton Supporter Stabs Obama Supporter


6 posted on 02/25/2008 12:45:12 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: 2banana

Whenever libs come to the door or call, or stop me at various public events, I ALWAYS tell them I’m voting for Nader. Drives ‘em bonkers!


7 posted on 02/25/2008 12:45:15 PM PST by oblomov
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To: 2banana

And Jewish voters loyal to the survival of Israel.


8 posted on 02/25/2008 12:45:21 PM PST by unkus
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To: sageb1
And this should seal the deal against all of them:

Black Leader: Democratic Party Architect of Racism

9 posted on 02/25/2008 12:49:17 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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10 posted on 02/25/2008 12:53:13 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: mdittmar
For heaven's sake, Dems create train-wreck scenarios.
11 posted on 02/25/2008 12:53:21 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I never thought I'd say it, but I hope Hillary wins.

Well, I mean the primaries on March 4.

This is like the Iran Iraq war. You hope no one wins. But you secretly hope that the currently weaker side wins something soon...

12 posted on 02/25/2008 12:55:25 PM PST by Koblenz (The Dem Platform, condensed: 1. Tax and Spend. 2. Cut and Run. 3. Man on Man)
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All right-minded Republicans, in states that still have primamry voting to do, should do whatever they can to vote on the Dem side and support the Beast over Obama. Keep this thing as close as possible.


13 posted on 02/25/2008 12:56:54 PM PST by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: mdittmar

Isn’t it funny how an article that supposed to be describing how undemocratic the Democrat Party’s nomination process is has to start with smearing the President.


14 posted on 02/25/2008 12:57:28 PM PST by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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To: Obadiah
FReepers are setting out lawn chairs to view the parade as it rolls toward Denver. It is going to be a fun season

( It is a shame the nation's future is at stake, however.....)

15 posted on 02/25/2008 1:00:03 PM PST by myprecious
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To: oblomov

Whenever libs come to the door or call, or stop me at various public events, I ALWAYS tell them I’m voting for Nader. Drives ‘em bonkers!
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That’s awesome. I can’t think of a better way to get a Dem to go ballistic.


16 posted on 02/25/2008 1:01:37 PM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: Nervous Tick

The bigger the better! Pass the popcorn!


17 posted on 02/25/2008 1:02:14 PM PST by Merlinator (Stop the Obamination!)
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To: mdittmar

So are we going to see “Hillary Stole Florida” bumper stickers? I’d buy one.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 1:03:01 PM PST by McGruff (Tribal name 'One whose back bleeds' or 'Many knives in back'?)
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To: mdittmar

Which staffer at the DNC headquaters wrote this article for Scripps?


19 posted on 02/25/2008 1:04:49 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: 2banana; ElkGroveDan; calcowgirl; Grampa Dave; davidtalker; AuntB

But don’t forget Dole, either! And he quit the Senate to run AND was at least likeable!!!


20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:06:18 PM PST by SierraWasp (McCain's NOT a RINO! He's a CONTRA CONSERVATIVE!!! (he's also contra-constitutional like Schwartzen-)
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