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Why Democrats should love the FairTax
Boston Globe ^ | February 24, 2008 | Laurence Kotlikoff

Posted on 02/25/2008 12:51:24 PM PST by Man50D

SUPPOSE A presidential candidate proposed taxing wealth and using the proceeds to reduce taxes on workers and provide a rebate large enough to cover taxes paid by poor workers. Such a candidate would be hailed by the left and reviled by the right.

Thus, it's remarkable that so many Democrats, with the exception of presidential candidate Mike Gravel, oppose the FairTax and so many Republicans, particularly presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, support it. In fact, the FairTax, which replaces all federal taxes with a federal retail sales tax and provides a rebate, represents a way to tax wealth, reduce taxes on wages, and disproportionately redistribute money to the poor.

A sales tax effectively taxes wealth?

It does. When we buy goods and services in a sales tax world, part of the payment goes to sales taxes. So we end up with fewer real goods and services.

Take Mr. Megabucks, who is sitting on $65 million and wants to buy a jet like Oprah Winfrey's - a 10-passenger, $50 million Global Express XRS. Under the FairTax, the jet costs him an extra $15 million because of the 30 percent sales tax. Mr. Megabucks gets the jet, but the extra $15 million, which he had budgeted for Beluga caviar, Dom Pérignon, and other flight snacks, goes to Uncle Sam.

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1 posted on 02/25/2008 12:51:24 PM PST by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Jaysun; ...

Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 02/25/2008 12:51:53 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

it costs him $50 million...fair tax or no fair tax...*sigh*

an advocate of the fair tax, but still needs to get his information correct...


3 posted on 02/25/2008 12:55:34 PM PST by stefanbatory
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To: Man50D
Take Mr. Megabucks, who is sitting on $65 million and wants to buy a jet like Oprah Winfrey's - a 10-passenger, $50 million Global Express XRS. Under the FairTax, the jet costs him an extra $15 million because of the 30 percent sales tax.

The author does not know the FairTax very well. After the embedded taxes are removed, the final cost of the jet after the FairTax is added will still be about $50 million.

4 posted on 02/25/2008 12:56:42 PM PST by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Man50D

Listen, any time a liberal see the word “tax” they get a tingly feeling that runs up their leg.


5 posted on 02/25/2008 12:57:04 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: Man50D

Why don’t democrats like the fair tax, even though it does everything they say they support?

Simple answer for this guy - they are about control - they could care less whether they “tax the rich” or “redistribute to the poor”, it’s about them being in control of the distribution.


6 posted on 02/25/2008 12:59:04 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Obadiah

no, when you feel that tingle going up your leg, it’s officially an “Obamingle”..heh


7 posted on 02/25/2008 1:00:18 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info on joining.You DON'T have to ride to belong)
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To: Tatze

Not exactly so. The jet will have embedded taxes other than fed taxes, and there are “fees” that the fed will still have.


8 posted on 02/25/2008 1:02:44 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Man50D

As this guy points out, the fair tax is anything BUT fair.

In its zeal to extract a pound of flesh from that dastardly “rich guy”, it screws savers, retirees, and anyone who prizes productivity and thrift over consumption. Those folks pay twice.

Of course, this explains why a class warfare populist nut like Huckabee likes it.


9 posted on 02/25/2008 1:03:53 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Man50D
Our economy needs a simple, transparent, and progressive tax system. The FairTax is the answer. Democrats should give it another look and a fair chance.

Professor Kotlikoff appears to be operating under the notion that Democrats actually want a tax system that operates fairly. That is the last thing they actually desire.

Democrats will oppose the Fair Tax for one simple reason... they can not use it to manipulate social policy, reward friends, or punish opponents as they can currently do with the Income Tax.

10 posted on 02/25/2008 1:07:08 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Nervous Tick

There’s also this little matter of the tremendous incentive it will give to a cash-only, barter, underground economy.

Or does Huck think human beings will simply roll over and do what is expected of them?

I could never understand the ginned-up enthusiasm for this untried measure when the Flat Tax has a long and successful history in a whole slew of countries.


11 posted on 02/25/2008 1:07:49 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Tatze
The author does not know the FairTax very well. After the embedded taxes are removed, the final cost of the jet after the FairTax is added will still be about $50 million.

Step away from the propaganda, go down to any small business, ask them what their gross sales were, and what their tax liability was. The embedded tax myth has to end sometime.

Second, the man pays no sales tax on his fifty million dollar plane because he's buying it used - extremely large private jets are purchased new.

12 posted on 02/25/2008 1:09:40 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Man50D

I am SURE liberals LOVE the ‘fair tax’ right down to the nice Orwellian name.

Watch the comments here from pro- fair tax people. We can’t even get them to drop the ‘tax inclusive’ scheme. (because it shows that a 23% ‘tax-inclusive’ rate is really more like 30% the way you normally consider sales tax)


13 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:04 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: sinanju

>> I could never understand the ginned-up enthusiasm for this untried measure when the Flat Tax has a long and successful history in a whole slew of countries.

Yep. The funny thing is.. the flat tax IS the “fair” tax!


14 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:09 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: kingu
Err, extremely few large private jets are purchased new.
15 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:14 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Man50D
Our economy needs a simple, transparent, and progressive tax system. The FairTax is the answer. Democrats should give it another look and a fair chance

FairTax bump!

16 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:16 PM PST by groanup (Don't let the bastards get you down.)
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To: Tatze

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... you really believe that, don’t you.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:53 PM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Tatze

Mr. Megabucks would simply purchase the Jet in a more tax friendly country and avoid paying the tax completely and the US government would get $0 in tax revenue exactly what they did when we put a tax on luxury yachts.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 1:11:58 PM PST by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: MrB
Why don’t democrats like the fair tax, even though it does everything they say they support?

Why would a conservative support "fair tax" if it does everything claimed here, i.e. tax the rich and redistribute wealth?

19 posted on 02/25/2008 1:12:13 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

For the opposite reason -

because it removes the control from the central government.


20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:14:48 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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