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Montanans Insist on Gun Rights
The Washington Times ^ | February 25, 2008 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 02/25/2008 3:21:43 PM PST by kellynla

Montana officials are warning that if the Supreme Court rules in the D.C. gun ban case that the right to keep and bear arms protects only state-run militias like the National Guard, then the federal government will have breached Montana's statehood contract.

Nobody is raising flags for the Republic of Montana, but nobody is kidding, either. So far, 39 elected Montana officials have signed a resolution declaring that a court ruling of the Second Amendment is a right of states and not of individuals would violate Montana's compact.

"The U.S. would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract," Montana Secretary of State Brad Johnson said in a Feb. 15 letter to The Washington Times.

The resolution also was signed by Rep. Denny Rehberg, Montana's lone Republican congressman, and state Sen. Roy Brown, who is running to unseat Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat.

The dispute goes back more than a century. Back in 1889, the settlers of the Montana territory struck a deal with the federal government: They agreed to join the union, and the government agreed that individuals had the right to bear arms.

That has worked fine for the past 118 years, but the Supreme Court is expected next month to hear oral argument in District of Columbia v. Heller, the appeal of a federal court decision striking down the District's gun-ownership ban on Second Amendment grounds.

The high court has not issued a broad ruling on Second Amendment law in almost 70 years, including the key question of whether it provides an individual right, like speech and jury trial, or a "collective right" held by state governments.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; beararms; constitution; guns; heller; montana; mtsos
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To: Travis McGee

Not that there’s anything wrong with .22LRs.

There’s got to be hundreds of thousands of those around.


101 posted on 02/26/2008 6:26:14 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: DuncanWaring
That’s amazing. Can you imagine what twenty guys like that could do with CETMEs? THey coulda defended france from the nazis all by themselves.
102 posted on 02/26/2008 6:41:22 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: DuncanWaring
The record for rapid-fire bolt-action accuracy is 38 rounds into a 12" target at 300 yards in 60 seconds. With an Enfield. In 1914.

Dang, that guy could shoot!

103 posted on 02/26/2008 6:51:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mamelukesabre

The Scope base (home made)......

http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/ScopeMount.htm

And the stocks for yer old enfield.......

http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=3

I have done this stuff to a number of the enfields.....my favorite truck gun is an old Gibbs rifle Company Bulldog cut down of the enfield I converted too the 54R round.

Nice cheap reliable rifles......

Stay safe !


104 posted on 02/26/2008 6:52:31 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Self reamed chambers, fire formed brass adn angle iron scope mounts: you gotta love it, backyard smithing!


105 posted on 02/26/2008 6:53:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 2111USMC

You got that right. And they silence real nice.


106 posted on 02/26/2008 6:54:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep.......all on a 70$ surplus rifle using a cheap tasco 6-18X 40$ scope. I went whole hog and got an ATI sporter stock and then after careful masking had the entire rig coated with truck bed-liner from Line-X Inc !

it’ll weather realllllll good !..........;o)


107 posted on 02/26/2008 6:58:53 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

Kind of reminds me of the fictional $150 Nagant rig I hypothosized could shoot traitors at 500 yards.


108 posted on 02/26/2008 7:01:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Squantos

Truck bed liner, you mean that Rhino liner stuff? I never thought of using it on guns. South Africans pioneered its use in the beds of giant open pit mine dump trucks. If it’ll stand up to that, I reckon guns should be an easy day.


109 posted on 02/26/2008 7:03:41 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep ....the key IMO is that line-x is finer that Rhino bed liner which is pretty aggressive grit per se. Kinda like 50 grit sandpaper vs 500 grit paper.

I have a few older surplus rifles that were of no collector value at all......I elected to “make” em good general purpose working guns. I gave a couple to ranchers and local farmers for hunting rights. Good trade !.....LOL !

When someone pulls out their 5k sniper rig with 3k worth of optics I pull one of those old sleepers out from under the seat of the truck , clean off the scope with my T-Shirt and shoot with em.......:o)

All fun !


110 posted on 02/26/2008 7:11:22 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

I’d love to see that! No rifle case, just drag it out, trailing jumper cables and McDonald’s trash. Then out shoot their 5K rigs!


111 posted on 02/26/2008 7:13:54 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: mamelukesabre
I believe it. But I’d bet a dollar that at least 75% of those firearms are, for all practical purposes, useless to a militia.

Then you'd be wrong- At least in the Rockies and the Missouri Breaks. There is hardly a house that doesn't have multiple guns... 7mm, 30.06, 30-30, 308 are a dime a dozen. 12 ga, 20ga shotguns are everywhere, pistols run toward .357mag, .45, and 9mm, and are plentiful.

Kids learn to shoot dang near before they learn to read, and usually bag a deer before entering junior high school. You'd be hard pressed to find a kid that hasn't gone plinkin' gophers, and every pickup has gun racks.

Guns aren't just keepsakes here-abouts, they're a way of life.

112 posted on 02/26/2008 7:23:17 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Travis McGee
Right after high school, I worked at a Rose's department store, where we sold old surplus military rifles.

Hardly a week went by that we didn't have Mosin-Nagants, Mausers, or Enfields on sale, sometimes as cheap as $20. While a number of these rifles were in need of some serious refurbishment, there were quite a few that looked to be in excellent shape.

I bought several of these rifles during the year I worked there, but looking back, I wish I'd picked up more while I was at it.

Oh well.
Sigh.
Hindsight is always twenty-twenty.

113 posted on 02/26/2008 7:23:50 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
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To: Travis McGee

I try , yet not always successful.......:o)

There are hunters here that will shoot their deer, put the rifle behind the seat of the truck with the empty brass still in the chamber and then next season pull out the rifle , use a mallet too open the bolt and chamber a fresh round and go get their deer for that season and put the rifle back in same condition........it’s no less than a tire iron too them . A simple tool that does a simple job ..........:o)


114 posted on 02/26/2008 7:31:54 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

You ain’t kidding about hindsight. Too bad we don’t get “do-overs.”


115 posted on 02/26/2008 7:34:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Squantos

I’ve known a couple of those one-round-per-year deer hunters. Sighting in is just for new rifles and scopes, one time.


116 posted on 02/26/2008 7:35:34 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

ROTFLMAO!!!


117 posted on 02/26/2008 7:37:25 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: Travis McGee
My friend and I were down at the range a few years ago. There were the usual lined up shooters, with long billed hats, sun shades clipped to one side of the bill, and $$ leather jackets all trussed up, and of course the glove on the rest arm, they laughed at my freind and I who showed up in jean cutoffs, and tee shirts.

We placed first and second on a 80 round match. Shut them up quick.

M1A's with iron sights, both.

118 posted on 02/26/2008 7:58:19 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

Must have good eyes!


119 posted on 02/26/2008 8:15:16 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
got my eye guy to grind a set of lenses that focus at 24 inches. The front blade is crystal clear. The ring is fuzzy, but the center of it is still the center, and the black dot out at range on the paper is also somewhat fuzzy, but the center is still the center.

However

I did break down and built a heavy barral .308 with mauser 98 action, topped with a leopold tactical and custom Mcmillan stock for a treat to myself. I shoot it more and more now. Still trying to master the mil dots. :-))

120 posted on 02/26/2008 8:23:37 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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